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    Quote Originally Posted by Lanie View Post

    Darn those facts. lol.
    You're a predictable little scrunt you know that?

    A day after the Obama campaign countered Mitt Romney's strong debate performance by accusing him of playing fast and loose with the facts, President Obama threw out a doozy of his own.

    At a rally Friday in Fairfax, Va., Obama claimed Romney had outright rejected his proposal to end tax breaks for oil and gas companies.

    "He said there's no way that he'd close the loophole that gives big oil companies billions each year in corporate warfare," Obama said, in the middle of a litany of complaints on Romney's tax positions from Wednesday's debate.

    Just one problem. Romney didn't say that.

    Rather, the Republican nominee said that if tax rates are lowered as his plan calls for, the $2.8 billion in breaks for oil companies should be on the table.

    Here's what Romney said:

    "But, you know, if we get that tax rate from 35 percent down to 25 percent, why that $2.8 billion is on the table. Of course it's on the table. That's probably not going to survive (if) you get that rate down to 25 percent."
    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012...ak-only-didnt/

    Lets talk about lies shall we


    FACT CHECK: Presidential debate missteps

    By CALVIN WOODWARD | Associated Press – 2 hrs 28 mins ago

    OBAMA: "I've proposed a specific $4 trillion deficit reduction plan. ... The way we do it is $2.50 for every cut, we ask for $1 in additional revenue."

    THE FACTS: In promising $4 trillion, Obama is already banking more than $2 trillion from legislation enacted along with Republicans last year that cut agency operating budgets and capped them for 10 years. He also claims more than $800 billion in war savings that would occur anyway. And he uses creative bookkeeping to hide spending on Medicare reimbursements to doctors. Take those "cuts" away and Obama's $2.50/$1 ratio of spending cuts to tax increases shifts significantly more in the direction of tax increases.

    Obama's February budget offered proposals that would cut deficits over the coming decade by $2 trillion instead of $4 trillion. Of that deficit reduction, tax increases accounted for $1.6 trillion. He promises relatively small spending cuts of $597 billion from big federal benefit programs like Medicare and Medicaid. He also proposed higher spending on infrastructure projects.

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    OBAMA: "Over the last two years, health care premiums have gone up — it's true — but they've gone up slower than any time in the last 50 years. So we're already beginning to see progress. In the meantime, folks out there with insurance, you're already getting a rebate."

    THE FACTS: Not so, concerning premiums. Obama is mixing overall health care spending, which has been growing at historically low levels, and health insurance premiums, which have continued to rise faster than wages and overall economic growth. Premiums for job-based family coverage have risen by nearly $2,400 since 2009 when Obama took office, according to the nonpartisan Kaiser Family Foundation. In 2011, premiums jumped by 9 percent. This year's 4 percent increase was more manageable, but the price tag for family coverage stands at $15,745, with employees paying more than $4,300 of that.

    When it comes to insurance rebates under Obama's health care law, less than 10 percent of people with private health insurance are benefiting.

    More than 160 million Americans under 65 have private insurance through their jobs and by buying their own policies. According to the administration, about 13 million people will benefit from rebates. And nearly two-thirds of that number will only be entitled to a share of it, since they are covered under job-based plans where their employer pays most of the premium and will get most of the rebate.

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    OBAMA: It's important "that we take some of the money that we're saving as we wind down two wars to rebuild America."

    THE FACTS: This oft-repeated claim is based on a fiscal fiction. The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan were paid for mostly with borrowed money, so stopping them doesn't create a new pool of available cash that can be used for something else, like rebuilding America. It just slows down the government's borrowing.

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    OBAMA: "Gov. Romney's central economic plan calls for a $5 trillion tax cut — on top of the extension of the Bush tax cuts, that's another trillion dollars — and $2 trillion in additional military spending that the military hasn't asked for. That's $8 trillion. How we pay for that, reduce the deficit, and make the investments that we need to make, without dumping those costs onto middle-class Americans, I think is one of the central questions of this campaign."

    THE FACTS: Obama's claim that Romney wants to cut taxes by $5 trillion doesn't add up. Presumably, Obama was talking about the effect of Romney's tax plan over 10 years, which is common in Washington. But Obama's math doesn't take into account Romney's entire plan.

    Romney proposes to reduce income tax rates by 20 percent and eliminate the estate tax and the alternative minimum tax. The Tax Policy Center, a Washington research group, says that would reduce federal tax revenues by $465 billion in 2015, which would add up to about $5 trillion over 10 years.

    However, Romney says he wants to pay for the tax cuts by reducing or eliminating tax credits, deductions and exemptions. The goal is a simpler tax code that raises the same amount of money as the current system but does it in a more efficient manner.
    http://news.yahoo.com/fact-check-pre...015421565.html


    I think you already know what you can do with your stupid talking points.
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    PBS was eluded to upthread a bit. If you're worried PBS will have to go off the air if federal funding is cut, I guess it's time you go out and do a fundraiser for them and send them more cash yourself. If the people can't come up with the money then that's just the way it is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by txradioguy View Post
    You're a predictable little scrunt you know that?

    A scrunt? What exactly is a scrunt? lololol
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    Quote Originally Posted by txradioguy View Post
    And more than once Jim Lerher did his best to dig Obama out of the verbal holes he dug for himself.

    God you're so predictable. Oh look there's Lanie/Bridget posting again at CU...must have gotten a fresh set of talking points from teh DUmp.
    He did? How did he do that? Did Jim Lerher try to answer some of Obama's questions for him? Did he decide that two minutes didn't always mean twenty?

    It's all a conspiracy to make Obama the winner. YOU are so predictable.

    And most of my DU reading was before the debate, not after. Nah, I actually watched the debate. I don't need a news source to tell me what happened.

    I'll probably watch the next one as well. Facebook brought up the idea of a drinking game. Who wants to do a drinking game next debate? lol
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    You could get wasted if you drank every time someone (cough) said "previous administration".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lanie View Post
    A scrunt? What exactly is a scrunt? lololol
    Drop the "s" on the front. I did that to beat the language bleeper.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lanie View Post
    He did? How did he do that? Did Jim Lerher try to answer some of Obama's questions for him? Did he decide that two minutes didn't always mean twenty?

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    AFter all this time you ignorant little twit...you should know that when I say things like that I can back up what I say...unlike you.

    So lets start with the obvious one shall we?

    Obama looked at Lehrer, and said,

    "You may want to move on to the next subject,"
    And Lerher did.


    Want more? Sure you do...here ya go:

    LEHRER: Mr. President, please respond directly to what the governor just said about trickle-down, his trickle-down approach, as he said yours is. Do you challenge what the governor just said about his own plan, Mr. President?

    OBAMA: Well, we've had this discussion before.

    LEHRER: About the idea that in order to reduce the deficit, there has to be revenue in addition to cuts.

    OBAMA: There has to be revenue in addition to cuts.

    LEHRER: But, Mr. President, you're saying in order to get the job done, it's gotta be balanced. Gotta have --

    OBAMA: If we're serious we've got to take a balanced, responsible approach.

    More:

    LEHRER: Mr. President, do you see a major difference between the two of you on Social Security?

    OBAMA: You know, I suspect that on Social Security we've got a somewhat similar position.

    LEHRER: And you don't support that?

    OBAMA: I don't. And let me explain why.

    LEHRER: I'm not gonna grade the two of you and say your answers have been too long or I've done a poor job --

    OBAMA: You've done a great job.

    Jim Lerher held the President's hand and led him towards the right answer on almost every question he asked him.

    But you can't and won't ever see that because you rely on places like Media Matter and the Side Boob Gazette (HuffPo) to tell you what to think and say on critical events like this. It's severely retarded your ability to display independent critical thought and to show even a modicum of common sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by txradioguy View Post
    Drop the "s" on the front. I did that to beat the language bleeper.
    Should I drop the r too? lol.

    I was reading in the bible last night how profane words were bad. It gets somebody further and further away from God.

    (further explosion in 5, 4, 3, 2, 1)
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    Quote Originally Posted by txradioguy View Post
    AFter all this time you ignorant little twit...you should know that when I say things like that I can back up what I say...unlike you.

    So lets start with the obvious one shall we?

    Obama looked at Lehrer, and said,



    And Lerher did.


    Want more? Sure you do...here ya go:




    More:




    Jim Lerher held the President's hand and led him towards the right answer on almost every question he asked him.

    But you can't and won't ever see that because you rely on places like Media Matter and the Side Boob Gazette (HuffPo) to tell you what to think and say on critical events like this. It's severely retarded your ability to display independent critical thought and to show even a modicum of common sense.
    It looks like Jim was trying to challenge Obama on his answers, not lead him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lanie View Post
    It looks like Jim was trying to challenge Obama on his answers, not lead him.
    Nice try Libtard...but no. Lerher...like all of the Liberal MSM was trying to help and protect Obama.

    Only an idiot would think otherwise.
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