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    Quote Originally Posted by ABC in Georgia View Post
    Yes, there is a civilian equivalent.

    Is called "The Medal of Freedom."

    No time to google back up info on this to post for you ... but am pretty sure that I am correct.


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    If a four star General was forcibly "relieved of command" I'd place damn good money that we'd have heard of it from reliable sources long ago. Especially considering how much Fox has been digging on this story.

    I'd also wager he would have long ago been before Congress explaining what had happened.
    It would have taken longer than described to relieve him, and he'd have been extremely vocal about it after the fact. Meanwhile, a Mark Steyn at NRO has a number of great observations on the subject, and points out a few things that ought to disgust anyone with a conscience. Many of these have been recounted here, but this is an excellent summary. The highlighted text requires special attention:
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    The Incredible Shrinking President
    By Mark Steyn

    October 26, 2012 7:30 P.M.

    ‘We’re going to have that person arrested and prosecuted that did the video,” said Hillary Clinton. No, not the person who made the video saying that voting for Barack Obama is like losing your virginity to a really cool guy. I’ll get to that in a moment. But Secretary Clinton was talking about the fellow who made the supposedly Islamophobic video that supposedly set off the sacking of the Benghazi consulate. And, indeed, she did “have that person arrested.” By happy coincidence, his bail hearing has been set for three days after the election, by which time he will have served his purpose. These two videos — the Islamophobic one and the Obamosexual one — bookend the remarkable but wholly deserved collapse of the president’s reelection campaign.

    You’ll recall that a near-month-long attempt to blame an obscure YouTube video for the murder of four Americans and the destruction of U.S. sovereign territory climaxed in the vice-presidential debate with Joe Biden’s bald assertion that the administration had been going on the best intelligence it had at the time. By then, it had been confirmed that there never had been any protest against the video, and that the Obama line that Benghazi had been a spontaneous movie review that just got a little out of hand was utterly false. The only remaining question was whether the administration had knowingly lied or was merely innocently stupid. The innocent-stupidity line became harder to maintain this week after Fox News obtained State Department e-mails revealing that shortly after 4 p.m. Eastern, less than a half hour after the assault in Benghazi began, the White House situation room knew the exact nature of it.

    We also learned that, in those first moments of the attack, a request for military back-up was made by U.S. staff on the ground but was denied by Washington. It had planes and special forces less than 500 miles away in southern Italy — or about the same distance as Washington to Boston. They could have been there in less than two hours. Yet the commander-in-chief declined to give the order. So Glen Doherty and Tyrone Woods fought all night against overwhelming odds, and died on a rooftop in a benighted jihadist hellhole while Obama retired early to rest up before his big Vegas campaign stop. “Within minutes of the first bullet being fired the White House knew these heroes would be slaughtered if immediate air support was denied,” said Ty Woods’s father, Charles. “In less than an hour, the perimeters could have been secured and American lives could have been saved. After seven hours fighting numerically superior forces, my son’s life was sacrificed because of the White House’s decision.”

    Why would Obama and Biden do such a thing? Because to launch a military operation against an al-Qaeda affiliate on the anniversary of 9/11 would have exposed the hollowness of their boast through convention week and the days thereafter — that Osama was dead and al-Qaeda was finished. And so Ty Woods, Glen Doherty, Sean Smith, and Chris Stevens were left to die, and a decision taken to blame an entirely irrelevant video and, as Secretary Clinton threatened, “have that person arrested.” And, in the weeks that followed, the government of the United States lied to its own citizens as thoroughly and energetically as any totalitarian state, complete with the midnight knock on the door from not-so-secret policemen sent to haul the designated fall-guy into custody.

    This goes far beyond the instinctive secretiveness to which even democratic governments are prone. The Obama administration created a wholly fictional story line, and devoted its full resources to maintaining it. I understand why Mitt Romney chose not to pursue this line of argument in the final debate. The voters who will determine this election are those who voted for Obama four years ago and this time round either switch to the other fellow or sit on their hands. In electoral terms, it’s probably prudent of Mitt not to rub their faces in their 2008 votes. Nevertheless, when the president and other prominent officials stand by as four Americans die and then abuse their sacrifice as contemptuously as this administration did, decency requires that they be voted out of office as an act of urgent political hygiene.

    At the photo-op staged for the returning caskets, Obama et al. seem to have been too focused on their campaign needs to observe even the minimal courtesies. Charles Woods says that at the ceremony Joe Biden strolled over to him and by way of condolence said in a “loud and boisterous” voice, “Did your son always have balls the size of cue balls?” One assumes charitably that the vice president is acknowledging in his own inept and blundering way the remarkable courage of a man called upon to die for his country on some worthless sod halfway across the planet. But the near-parodic locker-room coarseness is grotesque both in its inaptness and in its lack of basic human feeling for a bereaved family forced to grieve in public and as crowd-scene extras to the political bigshot. Just about the only formal responsibility a vice president has is to attend funerals without embarrassing his country. And this preening buffoon of pseudo-blue-collar faux-machismo couldn’t even manage that.

    But a funny thing happened over the next six weeks: Obama’s own cue balls shriveled. Biden had offered up a deft campaign slogan encompassing both domestic and foreign policy: “Osama’s dead and General Motors is alive.” But, as the al-Qaeda connections to Benghazi dribbled out leak by leak, the “Osama’s dead” became a problematic boast and, left to stand alone, the General Motors line was even less credible. Avoiding the economy and foreign affairs, Obama fell back on Big Bird, and binders, and bayonets, just to name the “B”s in his bonnet. At the second presidential debate, he name-checked Planned Parenthood, the General Motors of the American abortion industry, half a dozen times, desperate to preserve his so-called gender gap. Yet oddly enough, the more furiously Obama and Biden have waved their binders and talked up Sandra Fluke, the more his supposed lead among women has withered away. So now he needs to enthuse the young, who turned out in such numbers for him last time. Hence, the official campaign video (plagiarized from Vladimir Putin of all people) explaining that voting for Obama is like having sex. The saddest thing about that claim is that, for liberals, it may well be true.

    Both videos — the one faking Obamagasm and the one faking a Benghazi pretext — exemplify the wretched shrinkage that befalls those unable to conceive of anything except in the most self-servingly political terms. Both, in different ways, exemplify why Obama and Biden are unfit for office. One video testifies to a horrible murderous lie at the heart of a head of state’s most solemn responsibility, the other to the glib shallow narcissism of a pop-culture presidency, right down to the numbing relentless peer pressure: C’mon, all the cool kids are doing it; why be the last hold-out?

    If voting for Obama is like the first time you have sex, it’s very difficult to lose your virginity twice. A flailing, pitiful campaign has now adopted Queen Victoria’s supposed wedding advice to her daughter: “Lie back and think of England.” Lie back and think of America. And then get up and get dressed. Who wants to sleep with a $16 trillion broke loser twice?

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    Quote Originally Posted by djones520 View Post
    If a four star General was forcibly "relieved of command" I'd place damn good money that we'd have heard of it from reliable sources long ago. Especially considering how much Fox has been digging on this story.

    I'd also wager he would have long ago been before Congress explaining what had happened.

    Funny that you mention General Ham. His replacement was just announced last week.

    General David Rodriguez...the FORSCOM CG and former CG of IJC in Afghanistan will be taking Gen. Ham's place at AFRICOM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by txradioguy View Post
    Funny that you mention General Ham. His replacement was just announced last week.

    General David Rodriguez...the FORSCOM CG and former CG of IJC in Afghanistan will be taking Gen. Ham's place at AFRICOM.
    Do you have a link? I guess Obama is inept enough to replace Gen Ham with a yes man that quickly.

    This whole thing gets me sick to my stomach. It makes one wonder what would have been Ty Woods fate had me managed to survive his heroic defense. I guess he would have lost his job.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SaintLouieWoman View Post
    Do you have a link? I guess Obama is inept enough to replace Gen Ham with a yes man that quickly.

    This whole thing gets me sick to my stomach. It makes one wonder what would have been Ty Woods fate had me managed to survive his heroic defense. I guess he would have lost his job.
    Obama to nominate Army Gen. Rodriguez to lead AFRICOM

    http://www.stripes.com/news/obama-to...ricom-1.193564
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    Quote Originally Posted by txradioguy View Post
    The two former SEALS were on a rooftop returning fire and were targeted by a mortar round...

    I agree with your assertion about what needs to be awarded to those two men.
    The nonsense we've been fed about this is reprehensible. They could have bought me off a while with "we're investigating and we continue to do so". That video-spur-of-the-moment-America-loves-Mohammed-too nonsense they tried to sell us is deplorable. The audicity of this guy. Did he actually think that shit would work? He must think the entire nation is as stupid as his constituency.

    I actually didn't even think civilians could receive the MoH. Apparently it's been done. This January the second thing President Romney will do is repeal 0bamacare. The first is award by executive order the MoH to those involved.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JB View Post
    The nonsense we've been fed about this is reprehensible. They could have bought me off a while with "we're investigating and we continue to do so". That video-spur-of-the-moment-America-loves-Mohammed-too nonsense they tried to sell us is deplorable. The audicity of this guy. Did he actually think that shit would work? He must think the entire nation is as stupid as his constituency.
    It apparently worked on the parents right up to the point where the email traffic was leaked to the public.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JB View Post
    The nonsense we've been fed about this is reprehensible. They could have bought me off a while with "we're investigating and we continue to do so". That video-spur-of-the-moment-America-loves-Mohammed-too nonsense they tried to sell us is deplorable. The audicity of this guy. Did he actually think that shit would work? He must think the entire nation is as stupid as his constituency.

    I actually didn't even think civilians could receive the MoH. Apparently it's been done. This January the second thing President Romney will do is repeal 0bamacare. The first is award by executive order the MoH to those involved.
    I hope you're right. I know it is a Congressional award but I would prefer Presdent Romney nominate the men and not that Vile Pile occupying the office now. It's bad enough I have O Blowhard's signature on my retirement paperwork.
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    Central Intelligence Agency director David Petraeus has emphatically denied that he or anyone else at the CIA refused assistance to the former Navy SEALs who requested it three times as terrorists attacked the U.S. consulate in Benghazi on the night of Sep. 11. The Weekly Standard and ABC News report that Petraeus's denial effectively implicates President Barack Obama, since a refusal to assist "would have been a presidential decision."

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    Jake Tapper quoted Petraeus this afternoon denying that the CIA was responsible for the refusal: "No one at any level in the CIA told anybody not to help those in need; claims to the contrary are simply inaccurate."

    As William Kristol of the Weekly Standard notes, that leaves only President Obama himself to blame:

    So who in the government did tell “anybody” not to help those in need? Someone decided not to send in military assets to help those Agency operators. Would the secretary of defense make such a decision on his own? No.

    It would have been a presidential decision. There was presumably a rationale for such a decision. What was it? When and why—and based on whose counsel obtained in what meetings or conversations—did President Obama decide against sending in military assets to help the Americans in need?
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    "Hey guys, I was in a cabin in a woods for a few weeks. Did they ever catch that guy who made the anti-islamic video that triggered the spontaneous protests in Libya?"
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    Quote Originally Posted by txradioguy View Post
    Central Intelligence Agency director David Petraeus has emphatically denied that he or anyone else at the CIA refused assistance to the former Navy SEALs who requested it three times as terrorists attacked the U.S. consulate in Benghazi on the night of Sep. 11. The Weekly Standard and ABC News report that Petraeus's denial effectively implicates President Barack Obama, since a refusal to assist "would have been a presidential decision."

    <snip>

    Jake Tapper quoted Petraeus this afternoon denying that the CIA was responsible for the refusal: "No one at any level in the CIA told anybody not to help those in need; claims to the contrary are simply inaccurate."

    As William Kristol of the Weekly Standard notes, that leaves only President Obama himself to blame:



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    This probably explains the desperate attempt by the Dems to get in those early votes. They probably don't know how much longer they can hold their fingers in the dike before the dirty rotten truth eventually gets out. I still don't know how they can live with their conscience. I guess the answer is they don't have one,
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