I Told You "Moderates" Can't Win!

[Odysseus]

Well, you caught me. I'm the one who threw it to the Dems.

You and a few million who think just like you.



Oh, BTW, I don't think that these ladies got the message that free birth control is more important than maintaining a strong, free United States.

[Molon Labe]

We get taxed for Obamacare.
It's not a service. It forces you to BUY a service from a private provider, or you get fined.
It's not functional.

There's no reason why liberals who want state healthcare should like Obamacare. Full, actual, state-run healthcare would cost a fraction of Obamacare. And while it would be too expensive, it might actually function.

As I said, Republicans could have nailed Obama on this. It's not even about being an entitlement program, it's about being a bad program even to people who think the government should provide this service.

Yep. He proped up an entire coporate system on the back of the government. Handouts to the insurance companies via the taxpayer. This isn't socialism.....it's quasi fascism.

[Arroyo_Doble]

Yep. He proped up an entire coporate system on the back of the government. Handouts to the insurance companies via the taxpayer. This isn't socialism.....it's quasi fascism.

Well that explains why it was a Heritage Foundation idea.

[RobJohnson]

Tell you this:

Obama reps visited my house at least 3 times and I did not have a sign in the yard or a bumper sticker on my car.

Not once did a Romney rep contact me in person or on the phone. Not that it would have made a difference, but the street level organization didn't seem to be there.

Romney spent a fortune on signs. They were everywhere. "Romney Ryan" and "Save America Fire Obama". I mean that there were more signs for Romney than I have ever seen for any candidate.

I encountered Romney troops twice on major intersections waving signs. The Obama troops were walking down the same road and talking to people, knocking on doors, visiting Walmart.

If Romney thought he could get any of the black vote, I didn't see any evidence of him trying for it. I saw one Romney sign in front of a black person's house, and it was the same person who in 2008 had an Obama sign and an anti-gay sign.

Obama reps are paid community organizers that work for non profits...I know a few. It's their paid job to knock on doors.....

[RobJohnson]

Well, you caught me. I'm the one who threw it to the Dems. Fine, don't change anything. Demographics don't matter. Bush won 44% of Hispanics in 2004. That was down to 37% for McCain in '08. That was down to 29% this year. Maybe they'll all just self-deport (citizens included!) by the next election.

I'm with Linda on this one. Valid point.

[Odysseus]

Well that explains why it was a Heritage Foundation idea.

Can you possibly provide a link for that assertion, or can we assume that it's your usual BS?

[RobJohnson]

Yep. He proped up an entire coporate system on the back of the government. Handouts to the insurance companies via the taxpayer. This isn't socialism.....it's quasi fascism.

That would risk campaign money! Insurance companies, drug companies and others helped write Obamacare....they also donate big bucks to both parties.


The cost of the 2012 elections is projected to cost a total of 5.8B and we are now back to where we started.

[Zeus]

Obamacare puts the health care system on the wrong track and will expand the role of the federal government in every component of Americans’ health care. To get the health care system on the right track that empowers patients, reduces cost, and ensures access, Obamacare must be repealed.

Introduction to the Research

• Repealing Obamacare and Getting Health Care Right

[Molon Labe]

Can you possibly provide a link for that assertion, or can we assume that it's your usual BS?

I'd like to see that as well.

[Molon Labe]

This is an interesting dynamic of the race. Registered Republicans in 08' running away for the last 4 years from the label.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-...Num=2&tag=page

Independents. State polls showed Romney winning big among independents. Historically, any candidate polling that well among independents wins. But as it turned out, many of those independents were former Republicans who now self-identify as independents. The state polls weren't oversampling Democrats and undersampling Republicans - there just weren't as many Republicans this time because they were calling themselves independents.