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    Quote Originally Posted by Novaheart View Post
    I'm not a Democrat. I'm a Fascist.
    How is obama working out for you?
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    Obamacare: the good, the bad, the unpredictable & the dangerously unknown

    This is from a more left wing perspective--the people who want single payer--but the arguments are the same. Basically Obamacare is going to be outrageously expensive, inflationary, and useless for most of the people it was supposed to help. Further, for those people who already had insurance through their employer, some of these run the risk of actually losing their employer-based insurance (as companies cut back and realize that the individual mandate lets them off the hook). This was an absolutely horrific piece of legislation.

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    ...While the mandate may be “constitutional,” it is terrible health policy. Briefly, the main problems include:

    The coverage under the ACA is so skimpy, with so much cost-sharing, it won’t prevent medical bankruptcy. It’s really “underinsurance.” The coverage is unaffordable. In Massachusetts, where a mandate plan has been in effect since 2006, the cheapest policy for a 55-year-old is $5,000 and carries a $2,000 deductible. It costs $7,000 before even a penny of coverage kicks in. The burden of the mandate falls on working and middle-income families, who make too much for Medicaid but too little to afford private coverage, even with the tax subsidies. It enriches the private insurance industry with $447 billion in taxpayer subsidies. It maintains the administrative complexity of the current system with over $400 billion squandered on administrative waste The vast majority of the uninsured are in working families. Hence, they are already paying taxes to support Medicare (which pays for medical training and other necessary health infrastructure), Medicaid, and other health programs. It doesn’t lead to anything even close to universal coverage. ACA leaves at least 26 million uninsured.
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    MarciaAngell, MD - Obamacare is simply incapable of doing what it is supposed to do -- provide nearly universal care at an affordable and sustainable cost. The problem is that three years ago, in his futile efforts to win over Republicans (remember the embarrassing courtship of Olympia Snowe?), Obama gutted the law before it was even passed. He made the private insurance companies the linchpin of the new system, and promised them millions of additional customers and billions of taxpayer dollars. He also did nothing to rein in the profit-oriented delivery system that rewards providers on a piecework basis for doing tests and procedures. So with all the new dollars flowing into the system and no restraints on the way medicine is practiced, the law is inherently inflationary.

    Although there are some provisions to curb the worst abuses of the insurance companies, such as excluding people with preexisting conditions, there is nothing in the law that would stop insurers from raising premiums. A senior executive of the industry's trade association, America's Health Insurance Plans, told me privately that that's exactly what the companies will do if regulations cut into their profits. Thus, costs under Obamacare will almost certainly rise even faster than at present. No reform can work well or very long if its costs are unsustainable…

    Many of the uninsured who are subject to the mandate to purchase private insurance will choose to pay the penalty/tax instead. That will lead the insurance companies to raise their premiums, demand that the penalties be greater, or both. Deductibles and co-payments will increase to the point that many people will have insurance they can't afford to use. (This is the case in Massachusetts.) ….
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    Quote Originally Posted by Janice View Post
    Boehner, the coward of DC county. The dems to their credit, nominate FIGHTERS to be their leaders. Whack jobs yes, but fighters. We on the other hand seem to nominate men with a high estrogen count. He's the perfect blathering wretch for the radical left with an R after his name. Talk about a historical coincidence. It just couldnt come at a worse time.
    Thank you Janice. I can't understand either why these guys would act as if they have no balls. Acting like little wimps and giving in to Obama is not the solution. Since we have to deal with Obama Chicago thugs, the Republicans need to toughen up. One solution is getting a new Speaker of the House with a bit more gumption.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Novaheart View Post
    From the moment that President Franklin D. Roosevelt signed the Social Security Act on August 14, 1935, conservatives have attacked and tried to dismantle the program. Alf Landon, the 1936 Republican presidential candidate, based his entire campaign on attacking Social Security and vowed to "repeal" it.

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    Changing the subject, I see. I will take that as a win on the health care argument, since you demonstrate that you cannot or will not respond to the arguments made.

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    I'm not a Democrat. I'm a Fascist.
    You pretend that there is a difference. Fascism is the policy of imposing government control on the economy while permitting titular ownership. Fascists dictate policies to producers, impose mandates, choose winners and losers through subsidies and punitive taxes, in short, they do everything that Democrats do, but they tend to dress better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Odysseus View Post
    Changing the subject, I see. I will take that as a win on the health care argument, since you demonstrate that you cannot or will not respond to the arguments made.



    You pretend that there is a difference. Fascism is the policy of imposing government control on the economy while permitting titular ownership. Fascists dictate policies to producers, impose mandates, choose winners and losers through subsidies and punitive taxes, in short, they do everything that Democrats do, but they tend to dress better.
    Neatness is part of the grade.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Novaheart View Post
    Neatness is part of the grade.
    I guess that makes you a gay, fascist, communist, socialist, liberal democrat.
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    It would be nice if a national John Galt day could be organized that would actually have meaningful participation.
    Something that the media could not ignore.
    How is obama working out for you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by m00 View Post
    I guess that makes you a gay, fascist, communist, socialist, liberal democrat.
    ie a Cardassian
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    Quote Originally Posted by Novaheart View Post
    Neatness is part of the grade.
    Fascists always dress better than outright Marxists. The Nazis had Hugo Boss designing their uniforms, and they had a sense of style, if nothing else. Face it, nobody ever wanted to be tied up and ravished by somebody dressed as a liberal.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rockntractor View Post
    It would be nice if a national John Galt day could be organized that would actually have meaningful participation.
    Something that the media could not ignore.
    If they cannot ignore it, they will slander it. Note the reaction to the Tea Party.

    Quote Originally Posted by Novaheart View Post
    ie a Cardassian
    What's that hole in your forehead?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rockntractor View Post
    It would be nice if a national John Galt day could be organized that would actually have meaningful participation.
    Something that the media could not ignore.
    Oh, they wouldn't ignore it. They would spend countless hours ridiculing it and painting all participants as extremists and/or nutjobs.
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