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    Quote Originally Posted by Novaheart View Post
    Why are you people so up in arms? Be specific.

    These answers will not be considered serious:

    *Because it's socialism
    Because there will be death panels
    Because there will be rationing
    Because government doesn't do anything right
    Any of the BS mantras from talk radio

    IN your own words, what do you think is going to happen?
    So basically you want us to lie to you is that right?

    It must be since you're not going to accept the truth.
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    I've had a few things to do this weekend and just saw this.

    Why the HELL do we have two political parties if one is just going to cave when the other party does something blatantly unconstitutional?

    I don't even know where to go with this.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Elspeth View Post
    I've had a few things to do this weekend and just saw this.

    Why the HELL do we have two political parties if one is just going to cave when the other party does something blatantly unconstitutional?

    I don't even know where to go with this.


    Except the Supreme Court has said it was Constitutional, and as others have said the House can do nothing about it, absolutely nothing. It'll not get past the Senate, or Obama's veto pen. So why waste resources fighting a battle you cannot at all win?

    Now, come 2014 when the full effects of Obamacare are being felt, and if we gain that Senate majority that can overcome a veto, then reattack it, but there is nothing to gain from it right now.
    In most sports, cold-cocking an opposing player repeatedly in the face with a series of gigantic Slovakian uppercuts would get you a multi-game suspension without pay.

    In hockey, it means you have to sit in the penalty box for five minutes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by djones520 View Post
    Except the Supreme Court has said it was Constitutional, and as others have said the House can do nothing about it, absolutely nothing. It'll not get past the Senate, or Obama's veto pen. So why waste resources fighting a battle you cannot at all win?

    Now, come 2014 when the full effects of Obamacare are being felt, and if we gain that Senate majority that can overcome a veto, then reattack it, but there is nothing to gain from it right now.
    Did that happen with Social Security?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Novaheart View Post
    Did that happen with Social Security?
    Social Security is a very differant beast. Apples and oranges my friend.
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    In hockey, it means you have to sit in the penalty box for five minutes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Novaheart View Post
    I have to ask you: Do you abuse the Army medical system? Do you run over to a doctor's office every time you have a zit or a cold? Why not? According to you, that's what happens when people have "free health care".
    I don't, but there are those who do. The post hospital has a huge backlog on appointments because the demand so exceeds the supply. This is manifested through the number of providers who won't accept TriCare, and the long waits for treatment. A few months ago, I tried to make an appointment for my Periodic Health Assessment, and was told that the first available one would be in a month. How long do you have to wait for a physical?

    Quote Originally Posted by Novaheart View Post
    There is already rationing. It's called health insurance.
    Health insurance is not rationing. Health insurance is a group of people betting that they will need to pay for a medical procedure at some point in their lives, and a company betting that not enough of them will need it that they can profit off of the premiums. Think of it as a casino, where you are betting that you will get sick, and the house is betting that you won't. The odds are the actuarial tables and the payout is determined by the odds. That's not rationing. Now, if you find betting on needing medical service unpalatable, then you can decide to deal with a fee-for-service plan in which you pay as you go, but either way, you have some measure of control over your medical decisions. With single payer, you don't.

    Quote Originally Posted by Novaheart View Post
    I get preventative care, you get preventative care, and the people who use the ER just go along with no annual blood tests and physicals and don't get any care until something hurts too bad and they go to the ER. When I was in the hospital two summers ago (does time fly or what?) I got transferred down to what I call the prison ward, I shared a room with a man who had a catheter installed and was on dialysis because his kidneys stopped working three days earlier. He was also a diabetic. Had he been on regular medical care, his diabetes would be managed and his blood work would have let the doctors know he was headed for kidney failure in time to prepare him for dialysis. Instead, of being ready and suitable for outpatient care, he had to have a catheter surgically installed and spend weeks in the hospital to stabilize before being able to outpatient.

    That man wasn't abusing the healthcare system. He wasn't even using the healthcare system until it was almost too late.
    That guy wasn't abusing the system, unless we happened to be paying for his treatment. If that's the case, his negligence shafted the taxpayer. If not, then he's only hurting himself, and he has every right to do that. Regardless, none of this answers any of the points that I made about rationing and reductions in cost, nor does it address the failures of government run medical systems in other countries. You're using irrelevant anecdotal evidence to evade real issues, just like Obama.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Unreconstructed Reb View Post
    In other words, the spineless repubs, led by cry baby Boehner, are gonna fold like a cheap lawn chair.
    Yes..Boehner is a puss.
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    Quote Originally Posted by djones520 View Post
    Social Security is a very differant beast. Apples and oranges my friend.
    From the moment that President Franklin D. Roosevelt signed the Social Security Act on August 14, 1935, conservatives have attacked and tried to dismantle the program. Alf Landon, the 1936 Republican presidential candidate, based his entire campaign on attacking Social Security and vowed to "repeal" it.

    http://www.ourfuture.org/blog-entry/...ocial-security

    http://www.ssa.gov/history/court.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by Novaheart View Post
    From the moment that President Franklin D. Roosevelt signed the Social Security Act on August 14, 1935, conservatives have attacked and tried to dismantle the program. Alf Landon, the 1936 Republican presidential candidate, based his entire campaign on attacking Social Security and vowed to "repeal" it.

    http://www.ourfuture.org/blog-entry/...ocial-security

    http://www.ssa.gov/history/court.html
    You're right you Democrats have been worthless as hell for a long time, inventing a supposedly safe retirement plan and then allowing government to steal from it every time they needed money for some other project. Good point Nova, you've been jackwads for 70 years at least!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rockntractor View Post
    You're right you Democrats have been worthless as hell for a long time, inventing a supposedly safe retirement plan and then allowing government to steal from it every time they needed money for some other project. Good point Nova, you've been jackwads for 70 years at least!
    I'm not a Democrat. I'm a Fascist.
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