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  1. #1 Republicans and the "Latino-Vote Obsession" 
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    http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...is-hanson?pg=2

    A little common sense from Victor Davis Hanson on the hand wringing being done by conservatives on the "latino vote", and how to capture more of it. I keep hearing pundits opine that hispanics should be "natural" conservatives, and would come onbooard if only we could frame our message the right way, or make the right concessions. As Hanson states effectively in this piece, perhaps that assumption isn't exactly correct.

    Postelection panic among conservatives about the Latino vote has reached the point of absurdity — and mostly reveals the naïveté of detached political grandees who know little about the ideology and motivations of those they are now supposed to adroitly woo.
    Republican postmortems have focused heavily on the Latino vote. According to exit polls, it went 70 percent for Barack Obama, and this year it might have accounted for 10 percent or so of the electorate. Presumably, this margin was an important, and in some exegeses the decisive, factor that denied Mitt Romney the presidency. Given demographic reality, then, the Republican party must in response be more inclusive, curb its illiberal and gratuitous rhetoric, and seek a “grand bargain” on illegal immigration, which will welcome Latinos into the party, and thereby result in a new 21st-century inclusive majority that will win presidential elections.
    .... A final note. Republicans have convinced themselves that somehow they were insensitive and thus lost minority votes. In fact, for nearly four years the Obama administration and its surrogates worked to create a racialist divide — energized by talk of a new demographic future — that was never successfully countered. When the pastor who gave the benediction when Barack Obama was sworn into office brags that whites are going to Hell, or when a columnist like Colbert King likens Romney to Andrew Johnson, the wrecker of Reconstruction, or when Chris Matthews serially alleges racism on the part of Republicans, or when Attorney General Eric Holder refers to blacks as “my people” and others as “a nation of cowards” — and when these efforts are not countered or even addressed — then the stereotype of a racist establishment certainly takes hold. The success of the Obama campaign in capturing the minority vote was not due to a Republican failure to have minority voices (cf. the party’s multiracial convention), nor was it due to opposition to the DREAM Act, but rather to a moral failure on the part of Republicans (not even a mild rebuke to Joseph Lowery’s racist rant?) to demonstrate that those who were building racial divisions for political advantage were themselves the real racists. If Republicans do not believe in a society in which race is to be incidental, not essential to our characters, and if they cannot stand on such principles, then why should anyone else?


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    Before Reagan was duped into signing the Simpson - Mizzoli amnesty bill he won 37% of the Latino vote.

    Two years later...after Republicans granted amnesty to 3 million illegals Bush 41 got 30%.

    We should have learned our lesson about pandering and playing the give away game then...but we didn't.

    Now all the so-called "experts" with very short memories are back saying we need to basically do the same thing again.

    VDH is right...the basics of Conservatism have to be put on display...win the voters that way...not by playing Santa Claus.
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    Let's be honest about this, it isn't about gaining the 'Latino' vote it is about getting the illegal alien vote, everyone knows the democrats are using them for a voting block, it's no secret.
    Why the hell do you think Dems are getting voting ID laws removed. The voting may be under the jurisdiction of the states but they are also responsible for the integrity of the vote and should only be accepting votes from qualified voters.
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    The Illegal immigrant issue aside the Republicans should not pander to any nationality or skin color or sex but rather appeal to people of reason and principlal .
    The 21st century. The age of Smart phones and Stupid people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeus View Post
    The Illegal immigrant issue aside the Republicans should not pander to any nationality or skin color or sex but rather appeal to people of reason and principlal .
    Full agreement with that statement.
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    Why does everyone assume the "Latino vote" is equivalent with the "illegal alien" vote and that the solution is amnesty? Latinos in SoCal who came LEGALLY are usually not supportive of illegal aliens, for whom they also pay. (We also need to remember the Latinos/Chicanos who actually lived in the Southwest before the US took over as well.)

    Latino DOES NOT equal "illegal alien". What the GOP needs to do is split the Latino vote, going after legal and well established Latinos and, as noonwitch has suggested, do this along religious lines.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeus View Post
    The Illegal immigrant issue aside the Republicans should not pander to any nationality or skin color or sex but rather appeal to people of reason and principlal .
    I only hope that the leaders in the party share your wisdom. I have doubts though. They're probably of the opinion that simply running Rubio as a candidate will take care of the issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lager View Post
    I only hope that the leaders in the party share your wisdom. I have doubts though. They're probably of the opinion that simply running Rubio as a candidate will take care of the issue.
    A few on this board appear to be of the same opinion.
    The 21st century. The age of Smart phones and Stupid people.

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    IMO, when Romney mentioned "self deportation" he essentially screwed himself. By taking that one statement away, he could have swung a substantial number of Hispanic voted his way. However, if you want to know what voting block I can't figure out is Catholics. Even though Obama wanted to mandate Catholic organizations and hospitals to provide contraception and abortions which both go against the Catholic tenants, they still gave a majority of their voted to Obama. To me, this is like the Jews who formed the Group 13.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeus View Post
    The Illegal immigrant issue aside the Republicans should not pander to any nationality or skin color or sex but rather appeal to people of reason and principlal .
    The two aren't mutually exclusive. An ethnic, economic, or regional identity subgroup of the population can vote on reason and principle and still have colloquial concerns related to that group identity.

    It might sound inclusive, diverse, and morally aloof to deny that there are subgroup identities which have unique or selfish concerns but it wouldn't seem to be an objective position.

    The illegal immigration and mass immigration issue is not as simple as I would like it to be. You can't really hold up your party sign and say, "Every real Republican opposes illegal immigration." because they simply don't. You only have to look as far as the Florida Tomato Growers to see allegedly staunch conservatives and law and order Republicans who go screaming to the governor at the suggestion that Florida is going to make it impossible for illegals to pick tomatoes.

    And it really isn't simple. If we're going to deport the illegal aliens and stop the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_March Green March on America then we also need to make the changes to our welfare system, urban planning, and transportation system such that poor people can and will go to work in the fields.

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