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    Quote Originally Posted by Novaheart View Post
    $700 billion from Medicare?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Did you, or did you not state,



    Now your saying there is nothing to learn here, that some thing is not better then the now nothing they all will be forced to have. That they now are better off with nothing at all?

    Plus learn math.
    Metz said that it would cost him $5000 per year per employee, or $175,000 per year per store. $175,000 divided by $5000 is 35.

    Yes, I said that 35 employees per store didn't have comprehensive health insurance, ie the kind that would cost Metz an additional $5000 per year per employee in his statement. See the math. No, the mini-plan doesn't count as comprehensive health insurance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by patriot45 View Post
    Logic can't be argued wit a libs emotions, but what about the children!
    Libs don't care about the children.

    They celebrate Abortion.

    They dance with single parenthood.

    They encourage failing schools.

    They reward incompetent teachers.

    And lastly they sing the praises of programs that spend their future before they can enjoy it.

    If they cared about the children;

    They would be sicked about murdering our children.


    They would fight for the sanctity of the family.
    72% Of Black Kids Raised In Single Parent Household

    They would force failing schools to reform.
    Public High Schools Are Not Doing Their Jobs - Economic ...

    They would fire incompetent teachers.
    Teacher evaluators unable, unwilling to identify poor teachers

    And lastly they wouldn't pass our debt onto our children to repay in the future.

    16.3 Trillion dollars.


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    Quote Originally Posted by NJCardFan View Post
    You better come up with statistics and links from unbiased sources to back this up or you should be banned for spreading lies.
    You're not likely to consider any source other than the GOP website to be unbiased, and that was indeed from a blog. However, this link will take you to a state by state report with official sources.

    http://www.goodjobsfirst.org/corpora...taxpayer-costs


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    In March 2005 the St. Petersburg Times published a summary of data it obtained from the Department of Children and Families on the employers in the state with the most workers who were enrolled in Medicaid or KidCare Insurance (Florida's version of SCHIP). Leading the Medicaid list was Wal-Mart with 12,300 employees or their dependents enrolled in the program. Wal-Mart also accounted for 1,375 employee children enrolled in Kidcare (second only to Miami-Dade County with 1,518). The other employers with the most Medicaid enrollees were McDonald's (8,100), Publix (7,900), Wendy's (4,100), Winn-Dixie (4,000) and Burger King (3,900). Publix ranked third on the KidCare list with 1,250 and Winn-Dixie ranked fifth (after Broward County Schools) with 379.

    The St. Petersburg Times story also took note of the fact that several of the companies with the most employees and dependents enrolled in public health insurance programs were also recipients of substantial amounts of economic development incentives such as tax abatements.

    The St. Petersburg Times numbers were significantly higher than comparable data cited in a December 2004 published by the Tallahassee Democrat. That story, also based on data from the Department of Children and Families, reported that the company with the most employees participating in Medicaid was McDonald's, with 1,792 claims filed. The other top private-sector employers on its list were Publix (1,579), Winn-Dixie (1,108), Burger King (830) and Wal-Mart (756). The article noted that the data supplied by the state referred to the number of claims rather than the number of beneficiaries, which it said was likely to be much higher. This might explain the discrepancy.

    Sources: Sydney P. Freedberg and Connie Humburg, "Lured Employers Now Tax Medicaid," St. Petersburg Times, March 25, 2005 plus a spreadsheet with additional data provided by the authors to Good Jobs First. Also: Rocky Scott, "50,000 Workers Qualify for Medicaid: Some Say Companies Taking Advantage," Tallahassee Democrat, December 19, 2004, p.1 According to a private communication with the author, the headline was incorrect and should have referred to 50,000 employers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Libs don't care about the children.

    They celebrate Abortion.

    They dance with single parenthood.

    They encourage failing schools.

    They reward incompetent teachers.

    And lastly they sing the praises of programs that spend their future before they can enjoy it.

    If they cared about the children;

    They would be sicked about murdering our children.


    They would fight for the sanctity of the family.
    72% Of Black Kids Raised In Single Parent Household

    They would force failing schools to reform.
    Public High Schools Are Not Doing Their Jobs - Economic ...

    They would fire incompetent teachers.
    Teacher evaluators unable, unwilling to identify poor teachers

    And lastly they wouldn't pass our debt onto our children to repay in the future.

    16.3 Trillion dollars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Novaheart View Post
    It's becoming increasingly clear what the health care debate is about: petty people who don't give a shit if other people have health care as long as they have theirs.
    Bullshit. It's always been clear that the majority of people don't want the federal government involving itself in their medical decisions.

    Why is it somehow a great thing if the federal government gets its grubby mitts on a personal, private decision like health care, so long as that is not something that prevents an abortion, but it's a terrible thing if the very same federal government sticks its nose into who you do the nasty with in your bedroom? What an astounding double standard, even for a Leftist.

    Either you want the federal government out of your business or you don't. Can't have it both ways.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Novaheart View Post
    $700 billion from Medicare?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Novaheart View Post
    It's becoming increasingly clear what the health care debate is about: petty people who don't give a shit if other people have health care as long as they have theirs.
    No, it's about petty people who don't care if they destroy the system as long as they can stick their noses into other peoples' wallets. 250 million Americans have coverage, and Obamacare doesn't cover most of the remainder. You piously claim to care about people without coverage, but your solution is going to destroy the coverage that the rest of us have, and itt will not even achieve your goal of universal coverage. You're the ones who cannot see beyond your petty agenda of envy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Wood View Post
    Bullshit. It's always been clear that the majority of people don't want the federal government involving itself in their medical decisions.

    Why is it somehow a great thing if the federal government gets its grubby mitts on a personal, private decision like health care, so long as that is not something that prevents an abortion, but it's a terrible thing if the very same federal government sticks its nose into who you do the nasty with in your bedroom? What an astounding double standard, even for a Leftist.

    Either you want the federal government out of your business or you don't. Can't have it both ways.
    Well gee, Adam. Let's just throw some crap against the wall and see if it sticks:

    Why would you want the government to stay out of your bedroom, and then call the police when you see a burglar crawl through your neighbor's bedroom window? You can't have it both ways.

    Bullshit.

    Medicare pays for some things and not others, as does private insurance. The difference is that through elected officials we can tall Medicare what to pay for. By your definition, both ration and both interfere with your medical decisions. Of course, in both cases, if you have the cash to pay for it, you can make medical decisions in conflict with your insurance company or Medicare.

    As I understand it, you are paying for a catastrophic plan right now. Soon enough, if you are lucky, you will be so old that your insurance company will send you a little packet saying, "It's been nice, enjoy Medicare, and by the way would you like to buy a gap coverage package?" Wouldn't it really have made more sense for you and the nation if you had been paying your premiums into Medicare all along?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Novaheart View Post
    Your version of sticking your fingers in your ears and singing.
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