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    WASHINGTON (CBS DC) – A public health proposal suggests that tobacco smokers should be required to apply and pay for a “smoker’s license” in order to continue buying cigarettes.

    In this week’s PLOS Medicine medical journal, two leading tobacco control advocates debate the merits of the smoker’s license. Simon Chapman, a professor at the University of Sydney, proposes that users would have to apply and pay for a mandatory license in the form of a smartcard that would be shown when buying cigarettes.

    Dr. Chapman wrote that it could discourage young people from picking up the habit.

    In a controversial move, the smartcard would allow the government to limit how many cigarettes a smoker could buy. Professor Chapman suggests 50 per day averaged over two weeks to accommodate heavy smokers. The anti-smoking activist told the Daily Mail that the sale of tobacco is currently subject to trivial controls compared to other dangerous products that threaten both public and personal safety.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rockntractor View Post
    WASHINGTON (CBS DC) – A public health proposal suggests that tobacco smokers should be required to apply and pay for a “smoker’s license” in order to continue buying cigarettes.

    In this week’s PLOS Medicine medical journal, two leading tobacco control advocates debate the merits of the smoker’s license. Simon Chapman, a professor at the University of Sydney, proposes that users would have to apply and pay for a mandatory license in the form of a smartcard that would be shown when buying cigarettes.

    Dr. Chapman wrote that it could discourage young people from picking up the habit.

    In a controversial move, the smartcard would allow the government to limit how many cigarettes a smoker could buy. Professor Chapman suggests 50 per day averaged over two weeks to accommodate heavy smokers. The anti-smoking activist told the Daily Mail that the sale of tobacco is currently subject to trivial controls compared to other dangerous products that threaten both public and personal safety.
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    First, the idea that licensing would discourage young people from picking up the habit flies in the face of the number of kids who can't wait to drive. Licensing simply makes it an adult thing, and therefore a cool thing. As for the rest, it's nanny statism run amok, but we've come to accept that as the norm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Odysseus View Post
    First, the idea that licensing would discourage young people from picking up the habit flies in the face of the number of kids who can't wait to drive. Licensing simply makes it an adult thing, and therefore a cool thing. As for the rest, it's nanny statism run amok, but we've come to accept that as the norm.
    This is aside from the taxation issue equally as bad. in Russia back 200 years ago you paid for a license for a bath tub, certain people could only wear certain colors and types of fabric by law throughout Europe, you paid dearly to be of the part of society that was allowed many things that though now are considered common place were then luxuries. licensing is another form of taxation. Like our healthcare, we will all soon be forced to purchase a health care license. Government house taking our freedom and our wealth.
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    I have changed my mind. They shouldn't make sale and consumption of tobacco illegal.

    They should however, make it illegal to smoke anywhere other than inside a private single family residence.

    I am serious. I don't know if I told you this, but last summer I accepted a smoking room in the only hotel in the only town available when I simply could drive no more that night. I had so much stuff to move into the room for security, that the smoking room was the only one which was convenient. I regret that I did not spend the night sleeping in the car. That entire end of the hotel smelled awful. The room smelled awful. The smell was everywhere. After sleeping in that room and breathing that smell, and taking a shower in that smell, even with the window open- I couldn't tell if the odor was on me or in me. I smelled that smell for the entire next day, long after I had checked out. I vowed to apologize to everyone I had called a pain in the ass for complaining about my smoking over the years.

    I'm not a liar. I won't say "I'm allergic to smoke." when I clearly am not. I don't believe that the odor of cigarettes causes cancer or any other disease. It's simply a huge imposition, and for what? A really stupid habit.

    I don't like having to walk through the cloud of smoke and residual odor outside the grocery store.
    I don't like smelling someone else's smoke at the beach, on the bike path (it comes over the fence from people smoking in their backyards), or even from a passing car. It's really nasty if I can smell you and you are in a passing car.

    My mother has COPD, severe. She is paying the price for having smoked. The people who smoke in public practically choke her. And why? For something that is totally stupid and unnecessary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Novaheart View Post
    I have changed my mind. They shouldn't make sale and consumption of tobacco illegal.

    They should however, make it illegal to smoke anywhere other than inside a private single family residence.

    I am serious. I don't know if I told you this, but last summer I accepted a smoking room in the only hotel in the only town available when I simply could drive no more that night. I had so much stuff to move into the room for security, that the smoking room was the only one which was convenient. I regret that I did not spend the night sleeping in the car. That entire end of the hotel smelled awful. The room smelled awful. The smell was everywhere. After sleeping in that room and breathing that smell, and taking a shower in that smell, even with the window open- I couldn't tell if the odor was on me or in me. I smelled that smell for the entire next day, long after I had checked out. I vowed to apologize to everyone I had called a pain in the ass for complaining about my smoking over the years.

    I'm not a liar. I won't say "I'm allergic to smoke." when I clearly am not. I don't believe that the odor of cigarettes causes cancer or any other disease. It's simply a huge imposition, and for what? A really stupid habit.

    I don't like having to walk through the cloud of smoke and residual odor outside the grocery store.
    I don't like smelling someone else's smoke at the beach, on the bike path (it comes over the fence from people smoking in their backyards), or even from a passing car. It's really nasty if I can smell you and you are in a passing car.

    My mother has COPD, severe. She is paying the price for having smoked. The people who smoke in public practically choke her. And why? For something that is totally stupid and unnecessary.
    Man, just take that holier-than-thou crap and shove it!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Apache View Post
    Man, just take that holier-than-thou crap and shove it!

    When you get the flu this winter, when you wake up in the morning and know that today is the day the flu got you: just go back to bed. Don't smoke. Sleep and get well. Two days later you will be a nonsmoker. That's the way I did it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Novaheart View Post
    I have changed my mind. They shouldn't make sale and consumption of tobacco illegal.

    They should however, make it illegal to smoke anywhere other than inside a private single family residence.
    Well.....if smokers can't smoke outside in any public area, then they should be exempt from paying taxes to support the construction and maintenance of those public areas........and good luck stopping smokers from smoking in their personal vehicles, that's private property, and you smoking bolsheviks can forget about that if you don't want to end up looking into the business end of a 9mm.

    I am serious. I don't know if I told you this, but last summer I accepted a smoking room in the only hotel in the only town available when I simply could drive no more that night. I had so much stuff to move into the room for security, that the smoking room was the only one which was convenient. I regret that I did not spend the night sleeping in the car. That entire end of the hotel smelled awful. The room smelled awful. The smell was everywhere. After sleeping in that room and breathing that smell, and taking a shower in that smell, even with the window open- I couldn't tell if the odor was on me or in me. I smelled that smell for the entire next day, long after I had checked out. I vowed to apologize to everyone I had called a pain in the ass for complaining about my smoking over the years.

    I'm not a liar. I won't say "I'm allergic to smoke." when I clearly am not. I don't believe that the odor of cigarettes causes cancer or any other disease. It's simply a huge imposition, and for what? A really stupid habit.
    You really are a whiney little bitch aren't you??? There are those of us that say that we'd prefer not to be in the public presence of a flaming faggot as well (and you don't hear us whining about it), so that's a sword that cuts both ways.....smoking is a part of a person's lifestyle, therefore perhaps we should consider licensing and taxing homosexuals, due to the fact that they demand special treatment that most of the rest of us are required to pay for, like the streets and police security for "Gay Pride" parades, and it's a proven fact that homosexuals increase the cost of healthcare (due to their promiscuity and proclivity to contract STD's), and have shorter lifespans than normal prople.

    You made a choice regarding your hotel room......there were a myriad of other options available to you, but you stayed in that room knowing full well that it was a smoking room, so shove it if you didn't like it. You bitchy little queens seem to think that the entire world revolves around your likes and dislikes.......newsflash, it doesn't.

    I'd like to have a dollar for every hotel room in my life that I slept in that didn't meet my expectations.......I'd be far wealthier. Normal people (and yes this infers that you are not normal), take these things in stride, and life goes on. It's never a healthy idea to dwell on those things that are beyond our ability to control.

    I don't like having to walk through the cloud of smoke and residual odor outside the grocery store.
    I don't like smelling someone else's smoke at the beach, on the bike path (it comes over the fence from people smoking in their backyards), or even from a passing car. It's really nasty if I can smell you and you are in a passing car.
    Tough shit......as stated above, try to ban smoking in private vehicles, or their backyards (at least around here), and you will likely need hospitalization for your injuries.

    My mother has COPD, severe. She is paying the price for having smoked. The people who smoke in public practically choke her. And why? For something that is totally stupid and unnecessary.
    And my younger brother died of small-cell lung cancer six years ago, and never, ever smoked anything........reciprically, my grandmother smoked two packs a day, and had three martini's every day until the day she died...........at 96 years old......anecdotal bullshit is just that.....anecdotal bullshit, which seems to comprise the bulk of everything you post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Apache View Post
    Man, just take that holier-than-thou crap and shove it!


    My smoking helps the ChildrenTM. What does your bitching do?
    LOL!


    I don't know how much of Michigan's cigarette tax goes for The Children. I think most of it goes to state legislators' salaries. The Casino money and Lotto money is also supposed to help The Children.


    As I work with The Children of Michigan, I have yet to see any money put into more programs for foster kids. We could use more money to help with our kids' college expenses. It's one thing we do for foster kids that we can't find adoptive homes for-if they are in our system after age 14, and they graduate from high school without committing any major crimes, we will send them to college if they want to go. Or vocational school, if that is the way for the kid to get training for the career he or she wants. But college is more expensive than just tuition, and we don't expect our kids to hold a job during their first year of college.

    Also, I'd like to see the amount of money we give foster parents to buy clothes for the kids upped a little.
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    Quote Originally Posted by noonwitch View Post
    LOL!


    I don't know how much of Michigan's cigarette tax goes for The Children. I think most of it goes to state legislators' salaries. The Casino money and Lotto money is also supposed to help The Children.


    As I work with The Children of Michigan, I have yet to see any money put into more programs for foster kids. We could use more money to help with our kids' college expenses. It's one thing we do for foster kids that we can't find adoptive homes for-if they are in our system after age 14, and they graduate from high school without committing any major crimes, we will send them to college if they want to go. Or vocational school, if that is the way for the kid to get training for the career he or she wants. But college is more expensive than just tuition, and we don't expect our kids to hold a job during their first year of college.

    Also, I'd like to see the amount of money we give foster parents to buy clothes for the kids upped a little.

    Well Noonie if it's like most states that have enacted such a tax, only about 10% of the money actually gets to the intended target...
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