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    Quote Originally Posted by Rockntractor View Post
    Maybe I just need to find exact wording, let me try this to start. Do you think that Obama care was designed to become a fully socialist system at a later date after people have been pushed into completely government provided plans by the regulations in Obamacare.
    Honestly? No. Because I think we'll end up with something far worse than a fully socialist system. I think the goal is to make something "new" which is worse than socialism. Obamaism. I think if you imagined the most nanny-state socialist implementation of healthcare, Obamcare will end up far more destructive and wrong.

    Let me explain this.

    I don't like Socialized medicine and it has a lot of problems, but for the most part in the countries I've lived... it functions. I mean, it functions as well as any government agency functions. The DMV sucks, but it functions. You go to the DMV, wait in line, pay too much money... but at the end of the day you have your license. With socialized medicine it's the same deal... you get sick, you go to the doctor, they take care of you. You pay too much (if you look at the stupidly high tax rates of these countries), and don't have any choice, but for normal ailments you get treated. I haven't had cancer, so maybe it's different for that.

    With Obamacare... I think we'll pay about 10 times the cost as socialized medicine... and people will be suffering, because the IRS will make sure you're buying this service from a private provider, and that private provider will find ways to deny you service when you really need it... because they have a monopoly/captive audience and the free market can't punish this behavior. It's another instance of privatizing profits, but making the cost public. But in this case... the cost is your life.

    So its a million times worse, because you're going to pay more than socialism for something that's less functional than socialism. And they don't just silently take it out of taxes (like socialism does)... they compel you to act. So then you have all the people with their assets frozen by the IRS or who go to jail because they haven't gone out and purchased health care from a government approved private provider.

    Calling Obamacare "socialism" lets it off too easy.

    See what I'm saying?
    Last edited by m00; 11-21-2012 at 02:42 AM.
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