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    Quote Originally Posted by Elspeth View Post
    It's also worth remembering that even the media of the time was joking about Obama's "savior" status:

    Even the left wing Guardian has this article from 2009:


    Obama is not saviour of the world. He's still an American president


    ..This is fast becoming Obama's role on the world stage: managing disappointment. The gap between what international opinion demands of him and what he can deliver widens with each passing month, and it falls to him to explain why. If he could be completely frank, he might well tell the climate activists in the Danish capital that, were it purely up to him, he would give them everything they desire. After all, he is the same man whose stump speech two years ago used to open with a declaration that "the planet is in peril". But it is not purely up to him. He has to represent the multiple, complex and contradictory interests of the country he now leads. His job is not saviour of the world. As the climate adviser to a 19-strong group of African nations puts it ruefully: "He's still an American president."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arroyo_Doble View Post
    The Crucified Christ imagery, and quite often the Christ story (Being There, The Iron Giant, The Lion The Witch and the Wardrobe, etc ...) has been used quite often in art, literature, movies, photography, and all that.

    Offense is your choice.

    I am sort of with Odie on this one. It is overt, heavy handed, and sloppy. All it gets from me is a "meh."
    The Iron Giant? I never quite saw it in that light...
    In most sports, cold-cocking an opposing player repeatedly in the face with a series of gigantic Slovakian uppercuts would get you a multi-game suspension without pay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arroyo_Doble View Post
    The Crucified Christ imagery, and quite often the Christ story (Being There, The Iron Giant, The Lion The Witch and the Wardrobe, etc ...) has been used quite often in art, literature, movies, photography, and all that.

    Offense is your choice.

    I am sort of with Odie on this one. It is overt, heavy handed, and sloppy. All it gets from me is a "meh."
    First, fictional uses of such iconography or parts of the Christian narrative can be quite appropriate. Certainly The Lion, The Witch and the Wardrobe by Christian writer C.S. Lewis is a respectful use of Christian ideas. Even such secular pop songs as Mr. Mister's "Kyrie Eleison"* seemed to be contextualized and respectful.


    However, the furthering of a messianic imagery of a particularly destructive American president--on whose watch Americans became more impoverished and less free--does not strike me as a respectful use Christian iconography. I think it is meant to shock and be a finger in the eye to conservatives of faith and to those of us who really understand what the sacrifice of Christ means.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHXg...feature=fvwrel

    (Just FYI, the Catholic Church found this problematic, but rank and file Catholics did not.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by NJCardFan View Post
    Translation: I don't have a problem with my president being portrayed as Christ because that's what I think he is and anybody who has a problem with it is short sighted. Or should that be 'HE'?
    There are a number of inaccuracies here.

    1) I'm Jewish, so I have no particular attachment to Christ or Christ-imagery. So the idea that I don't have a problem with Obama being portrayed as Christ because I worship him (as Christ) is doubly laughable. It's triple-ly laughable because I've also been accused of being a paulbot.. so which is it?

    It's like in your world... you have two sides... Republican Politicians... which are all conservative Christians crusaders of God that serve in the military, and all good in the universe comes from them... and "the other side" which is Satan, communism, socialism, liberalism, Democrats, fascism, Islam, Homosexuality, 3rd parties, high taxes, the 99%, bottled water, global warming, evolution, abortion, cap-and-trade, both Stalin AND Hitler, Europe in general but specifically the French.

    If anyone does not immediately condemn any element of that list for whatever absurd reason, you assume they are on "the other side" and therefore immediately subscribe to all positions you may project into any element of that list based on your own fantasy.

    "I wonder why people think tap water is superior to bottled water?"
    "WHY DO YOU THINK OBAMA IS YOUR GOD AND WHY WANT TO DESTROY THE EARTH WITH ISLAM AND GAY, YOU ABORTION PROVIDING GODLESS SOCIALIST LIBERAL"

    This is seriously the level of discourse.

    2) defending free speech is not the same as advocating for the contents of any particular speech. I also believe Neo-Nazis have a right to put out their stupid hate crap. Does this make me a Nazi?

    3) I just asked a question, trying to understand why people are seriously offended. Your "translation" is entirely your own projections and hangups.
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    With the country so evenly divided, this isn't exactly going to bring folks back together. It's insulting to a Christian. Are we becoming a country that idolizes our leaders, sort of like Peron in Argentina? It's not that far of a leap to despotism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by m00 View Post
    2) defending free speech is not the same as advocating for the contents of any particular speech. I also believe Neo-Nazis have a right to put out their stupid hate crap. Does this make me a Nazi?
    Nazi? Possibly. Neo-Nazi? Absolutely.
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    Quote Originally Posted by djones520 View Post
    The Iron Giant? I never quite saw it in that light...
    I admit that it is my own interpretation when seeing the film the first time (after sacrificing himself, he rises again). Others may have come to the same conclusion, but I am not sure about that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arroyo_Doble View Post
    I admit that it is my own interpretation when seeing the film the first time (after sacrificing himself, he rises again). Others may have come to the same conclusion, but I am not sure about that.
    Eh... I could see the connection, but I think that's stretching a bit. I feel it was more just to make the kids feel a little better about the ending of the movie.
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    Another from the guy:



    I guess all that "I got Osama" talk really resonated with some people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JB View Post
    Another from the guy:


    I guess all that "I got Osama" talk really resonated with some people.
    Yup. Is he supposed to be St. Michael in this one? Or is he Rafiki from The Lion King?
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