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  1. #1 I yelled at my parents tonight... 
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    A Bouncy from Peggy!!!!



    Thu Nov 29, 2012, 12:57 AM
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    I yelled at my parents tonight...

    They had called to wish me a happy birthday, and we had a very pleasant chat...

    Until somehow we found ourselves talking about fracking. And the Keystone Pipeline.


    Now, they were Republicans for all the years I was growing up, and beyond...But about oh maybe 8-10 years ago, they re-registered as Democrats. They have been faithfully voting for Democrats for some time now. I could not be any more pleased!

    But I guess some of their attitudes are still Republican.

    And that's why I yelled at them.


    So. I need good, solid references to show them the error of their ways, and I hope that you good people can help me out. They need facts.


    I hope you can help.
    I don't know if any of you have seen Peg but her parents must be 110 so shame on her for "yelling" at them!!!
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  2. #2 Ah yes, the Gasland gambit. I kew a DUmmiy would mention that. 
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    25. Ask them to rent a copy of "Gasland". It's all they need to know. nt


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    The problem with that "documentary" is that it is not science based but rather a Michael Moore style propaganda piece.



    "In an article in the Philadelphia Inquirer, John Hanger, the secretary of the Pennsylvania Department of Environmental Protection said the film is "fundamentally dishonest" and "a deliberately false presentation for dramatic effect."

    http://www.anga.us/TruthAboutGasland


    I really doubt that these dipshits would give up their oil based plastic PC's,I pads, smart phones, cars, clothing, medical devices, etc. Our way of life is based on oil and petrochemicals derived from oil.
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    There is a Matt Damon movie coming out that deals with the hidden dangers of fracking. However, the producers now realize that it was based on junk science and they are trying to figure out how to spin the movie so people will come and see it.

    It is amazing how many libs will ignore proof that the science behind some of their beliefs is junk science simply because it doesn't support what they feel is true.

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    What I don't get is why does no one discuss the effect humans have on their local environments instead of all this end of the world BS? Oh wait, I know why, because if we admit that we can track the changes we're making we can apply real solutions such as, domesticating an endangered species before it's too late, increase fines for littering, maybe build several smaller factories instead of one big one... but those are real potential solutions to real localized pollution issues. A solution means you lose the issue politically and have to get off your butt and help do something, regardless of whether you're "rich". A littering fine effects progressives as much as the rest of us, domesticating animals forces us to admit we are stewards of this planet and not just another species of animal, and attempting to break up pollution, means people may have to move around. The point is, real solutions mean action, climate change means we can bitch and moan about what other people are doing, and do nothing ourselves, because in the end the problem is too big to do anything anyway.
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    Hey SR, I didn't go there but did she start with..... My Dear Parents I had a happy birthday and I hate you!!?

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    How can shooting water down a hole to extract mineral deposits be bad? Those people are so stupid. They been doing fracking for a couple of decades and I don't recall ever hearing about something happening. Unless I missed something?

    The environmentalist suck ..

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    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaRepub View Post
    ...her parents must be 110...
    140, easy.

    I need good, solid references to show them the error of their ways, and I hope that you good people can help me out. They need facts.
    Typical DUmmy. In other words, I don't know anything myself I just drink the kool-aid my Dem handlers tell me to drink.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Black Phoenix View Post
    What I don't get is why does no one discuss the effect humans have on their local environments instead of all this end of the world BS? Oh wait, I know why, because if we admit that we can track the changes we're making we can apply real solutions such as, domesticating an endangered species before it's too late, increase fines for littering, maybe build several smaller factories instead of one big one... but those are real potential solutions to real localized pollution issues. A solution means you lose the issue politically and have to get off your butt and help do something, regardless of whether you're "rich". A littering fine effects progressives as much as the rest of us, domesticating animals forces us to admit we are stewards of this planet and not just another species of animal, and attempting to break up pollution, means people may have to move around. The point is, real solutions mean action, climate change means we can bitch and moan about what other people are doing, and do nothing ourselves, because in the end the problem is too big to do anything anyway.
    Those solutions require effort or inconvenience on the part of the person doing them. Domesticating an endangered species takes work. It entails herding, breeding and seeking markets for products. Building smaller factories means more of them, some within sight of the homes of liberals. It's much easier to put a bumper sticker on the Prius, drive it to a rally, pick up some some alterna-chick and bring her home to the McMansion, all the while congratulating themselves for their commitment to the planet. Remember, they don't want to solve the problems, they want to control the rest of us, and lord their moral superiority over us.
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    Those solutions require effort or inconvenience on the part of the person doing them. Domesticating an endangered species takes work. It entails herding, breeding and seeking markets for products. Building smaller factories means more of them, some within sight of the homes of liberals. It's much easier to put a bumper sticker on the Prius, drive it to a rally, pick up some some alterna-chick and bring her home to the McMansion, all the while congratulating themselves for their commitment to the planet. Remember, they don't want to solve the problems, they want to control the rest of us, and lord their moral superiority over us.
    What sometimes bugs me is, they're right to a degree, there ARE problems with the climate on earth that are caused by humans, just not any that are going to wipe us out as a species this century. It's not hard to understand why New Yorkers believe all of the cars they drive are effecting the environment, it's an indisputable fact that they are. You can't stuff that many cars in one spot, drive them 24/7 and not expect something to happen. You'll get your thick smog, land that will never grow anything, and night skies without visible stars (well that has more to do with the lights from the buildings). But then you walk a few hours and come out of New York City (particularly around the Fort Drum area), the smog clears away, there's semi fertile land and you can look up and see stars.

    I don't think it's gonna wipe out the planet, but if the heavy population centers of the country continue sitting in tiny areas, they're probably asking for trouble. This isn't even me saying the government should be out of it. Relocating people from New York City would take government cooperation, especially for those who can't just pick up and move... and lets face it, save for forced deportation, the only real way to move a good number of people out of New York, would be to go into the slums and collect all the people chomping at the bit to get OUT! I'm also not suggesting they fall on government programs, but that the Government work with businesses in other states and across the state, to get jobs and homes ready for these people. This would be an investment to clean up New York and create more tax income by getting all the welfare recipients out of the slums. Who am I kidding though, if the Dems or the Rinos wanted folks out of the slums, they wouldn't district them so they can only go to failing schools.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Black Phoenix View Post
    What sometimes bugs me is, they're right to a degree, there ARE problems with the climate on earth that are caused by humans, just not any that are going to wipe us out as a species this century. It's not hard to understand why New Yorkers believe all of the cars they drive are effecting the environment, it's an indisputable fact that they are. You can't stuff that many cars in one spot, drive them 24/7 and not expect something to happen. You'll get your thick smog, land that will never grow anything, and night skies without visible stars (well that has more to do with the lights from the buildings). But then you walk a few hours and come out of New York City (particularly around the Fort Drum area), the smog clears away, there's semi fertile land and you can look up and see stars.
    You're presuming that liberals care about the environment. They don't. They care about control. The problems that they cite are either fictitious or exaggerated, but the solutions are always the same: centralized control of the economy. They don't build cities, but they demand the right to decide who lives where. They don't build factories, power plants or universities, but they dictate where they can be built, what they can make, what fuels them, what they can and can't teach and who they can hire.

    Quote Originally Posted by Black Phoenix View Post
    I don't think it's gonna wipe out the planet, but if the heavy population centers of the country continue sitting in tiny areas, they're probably asking for trouble. This isn't even me saying the government should be out of it. Relocating people from New York City would take government cooperation, especially for those who can't just pick up and move... and lets face it, save for forced deportation, the only real way to move a good number of people out of New York, would be to go into the slums and collect all the people chomping at the bit to get OUT! I'm also not suggesting they fall on government programs, but that the Government work with businesses in other states and across the state, to get jobs and homes ready for these people. This would be an investment to clean up New York and create more tax income by getting all the welfare recipients out of the slums. Who am I kidding though, if the Dems or the Rinos wanted folks out of the slums, they wouldn't district them so they can only go to failing schools.
    This is exactly the kind of program that liberals want. They talk about "sustainable design" for cities, but it's just code for moving people to where they don't want to go by the use of zoning restrictions, mass transit subsidies, manipulation of the tax codes and a million other ways of imposing their will. Remember that the housing projects were their way of moving the urban poor into new, clean, perfectly sustainable housing that would be easy to administer through a central program, and which would replace the unsightly slums that offended their sensibilities when they passed by in their limos. Within a decade, they were high-rise slums, but they were centrally located, and convenient to party block captains when they needed to get the vote out, so they stay in place. They won't move the poor. They won't move the rich, who enjoy the sophisticated pleasures of urban centers. That leaves the middle class, who are gradually being driven out of cities by poor schools, increasing housing costs, job losses, higher taxes and declining services. However, those cities can't function without them, so they have to be kept within commuting distance. But cars on highways and congestion are not aesthetically pleasing, so they have to be coerced into mass transit. Cars also offend the sensibilities of elites who object to people being able to go where they want, when they want, without being hassled. They hate the idea of Americans taking to the roads for vacations. They loathe the thought that we can relocate when their policies force us out of the places where we grew up, and they can't stand the thought of us burning fuels and driving SUVs or trucks.

    This isn't about the environment. If it were, the left would embrace clean coal, nuclear and natural gas, which are proven, clean energy sources. They'd encourage domestic oil drilling and pipelines, which are less risky to the environment than supertankers that have to transit dangerous parts of the world and risk massive spills. They would permit wind farms within sight of their homes, instead of filing lawsuits that put their scenic views over the energy needs of their neighbors. They'd live in the smaller homes that they expect us to live in. They'd fly commercial, instead of on private planes. They'd fire their drivers, scrap their limos and drive the same econoboxes that they demand that we make do with. In short, they'd practice what they preach. But they don't, because it isn't about the environment, it's about controlling their fellow men and women.
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