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  1. #1 Are You Dagny Taggart Or John Galt? 
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    Are You Dagny Taggart Or John Galt?

    After the recent elections, fiscal conservatives (read: responsible people) and their emotions have been all over the board concerning the hope for a promising future for America. Many see Obama’s reelection as the end of the America we have known and have given up hope while others continue to rally the troops to fight until the last penny and liberty evaporates trying to right the wrongs.

    The question is, are you a Dagny Taggart or a John Galt?

    In the book Atlas Shrugged, Dagny Taggart was a railroad magnate who could not give up hope that a corrupt government and an America populated with moochers could be redeemed if she kept working and fighting the moochers and looters in society and government. John Galt was a productive genius who believed the country could not be saved because of corruption and decay and actively sought the destruction of the government by convincing producers to quit working and go on strike. Galt convinced producers the fruits of their labors would only be forcefully taken by looters in government (moochers with guns) and, moreover, their labors and production were not even appreciated by the masses they sustained.

    The book Atlas Shrugged is popular among conservatives because the story parallels America in 2012, even though the book was written 54 years ago. As in the book, we see an overpowering government consistently limiting individual liberties while calling the country’s producers “greedy” while taking more and more from them. We see traditional values being ridiculed and scorned in today’s America, just as it was in Atlas. We also see the country collapsing due to corrupt politicians, overwhelming business regulations, and the intellectual cesspool that can only come from academia.

    Obama today revealed he wants to massively increase taxes with virtually no spending cuts to avoid the so-called fiscal cliff that is rapidly approaching. Oh, he also wants the ability to raise the debt limit without having to bother with going to Congress. That’s like letting Michael Moore guard your Twinkies. America has a fifth year of a trillion-plus dollar deficit and a Senate that hasn’t produced a budget in four years. We see a record number of Americans living off of welfare and food stamps paid for by the dwindling number of producers. The poison of political correctness infects the country to the point where no criticism of liberals is allowed without one being dismissed as the liberal intelligentsia as racist, sexist, homophobic, etc.

    It gets worse. We have to depend on the Republicans to save America! lol.

    There are a lot of Dagny’s and John’s in America right now. AWD has had several conversations with friends about where I and they stand on what’s the best course of action to take. I know friends who share the Pollyanna attitude of Dagny Taggart and believe they can save America if they work harder and don’t give up hope. They believe in miracles and the good people in America will once again restore the sanity that has been lost in America. AWD has others who are John Galt waiting for the collapse and the ensuing anarchy when the federal government collapses under the weight of corruption and bankruptcy. After the dirt settles, then, they believe, and only then, can producers once again establish government according to Constitutional limits that have been abandoned over the past 50 years. Once that occurs, producers will once again begin producing unprecedented wealth without the shackles of a corrupt government dedicated to the redistribution of their income. They will no longer be forced at gunpoint by the looters in government to unwillingly give up their treasure for the benefit of lazy moochers.

    So who are you? Dagny or John? Who is AWD? Who is John Galt?

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    I'm a John Galt....

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    I too, although I hate to admit the defeat of "opting out" ... am John Galt. It makes no sense to any longer keep beating the dead horse of the Democratic party in power, hoping to awaken them to reality.

    In my heart I am Dagny, but in my head, not. (in the end thank goodness she did see the light!)

    On a lighter note, in my dreams ... I would have been Dagny sticking with Francisco D'Antonio (sp?) her childhood love, instead of ending up with Galt.

    Have not, and have no intention of seeing the movie. IMO ... no one could do justice to the images of the characters in Ayn Rand's book as the ones I have conjured up in my own mind of them.
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    What would being John Galt actually mean? Would it mean "dropping out" and building a separate world? Don't you think the Feds would run in and try to tax the hell of whatever one produces? As long as we live in a country where Federal tentacles are everywhere, I don't know if there is any place to be John Galt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elspeth View Post
    What would being John Galt actually mean? Would it mean "dropping out" and building a separate world? Don't you think the Feds would run in and try to tax the hell of whatever one produces? As long as we live in a country where Federal tentacles are everywhere, I don't know if there is any place to be John Galt.
    No, unfortunately in this all too real world of ours, there *is* no place to be a John Galt.

    It was somewhat fun however, to think up theoretical answers to the above question as I did.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elspeth View Post
    What would being John Galt actually mean? Would it mean "dropping out" and building a separate world? Don't you think the Feds would run in and try to tax the hell of whatever one produces? As long as we live in a country where Federal tentacles are everywhere, I don't know if there is any place to be John Galt.
    Have no fear ... the Feds would have no way of finding Galt's Gulch with that "ray screen" that was covering the valley to where all the good guys (the producers) fled. ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ABC in Georgia View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Elspeth View Post
    What would being John Galt actually mean? Would it mean "dropping out" and building a separate world? Don't you think the Feds would run in and try to tax the hell of whatever one produces? As long as we live in a country where Federal tentacles are everywhere, I don't know if there is any place to be John Galt.
    No, unfortunately in this all too real world of ours, there *is* no place to be a John Galt.
    If there is no place to be a John Galt, you work to create one. That's what the colonists did 236 years ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marv View Post
    If there is no place to be a John Galt, you work to create one. That's what the colonists did 236 years ago.
    This. Giving up on the current government and just giving up are two different things. I believe that we all know that Bronco's regime is going to go up in flames and most of us are already emotionally cutting our ties to Bronco's United States. The only thing left to decide is if we are willing to burn up with Bronco and his moochers or declare our independence: "Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."
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    "That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government ... "
    Marv and U-Reb ...

    I admire your brave words and steadfast determination to take back the country from those that wish to undermine and destroy all that is good about it.

    Keep in mind that it is not only the Obama Admin that we would be taking on, but also all those that supported and all but worship the man.

    We, the non-Obama voters, tried the "alter" part on Nov. 6. It didn't turn out so well. As to attempt the "abolish" part? Is not that *precisely* what Obama intends to see happen? Has that not been his goal all along to pit citizens against each other?

    Nothing would please him more than to see total chaos take place with Americans killing each other in the streets.

    I shudder to think how he would then go about handling the situation.
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