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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkgirl View Post
    Some stories are coming out today saying Nancy Lanza was a paranoid Prepper, Her family said she was stockpiling guns and food in preparation of a social and economic collapse. She taught her psychotic son how to shoot.

    I was at my brother's last night and we wondered why a school teacher would have assault weapons and this now makes sense. Teaching a mentally ill son how to use a gun makes her culpable in my opinion. She paid for it with her life but she wasn't what I would call a responsible gun owner. He went to Sandy Hook elementary, then to a catholic middle school, was home schooled, and finished high school early.

    I'm sure more info will be pouring out in the next few weeks. I watched news on this all weekend. It's sickening, but I want to know what triggered this bloodbath.
    Why shouldn't a school teacher have a semi-automatic weapon (as opposed to the misnamed Assault Weapon) any more than you or I or any other member of this board?
    I have 2 Ruger Mini-14's which fire the same size and quantity of rounds as the scary looking Bushmaster and a Yugo 59/66 really scary looking semi-auto with a attached bayonet and (gasp) grenade launcher. The Yugo only has a 10 round capacity, less than my S&W 6906 9mm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madisonian View Post
    Why shouldn't a school teacher have a semi-automatic weapon (as opposed to the misnamed Assault Weapon) any more than you or I or any other member of this board?
    I have 2 Ruger Mini-14's which fire the same size and quantity of rounds as the scary looking Bushmaster and a Yugo 59/66 really scary looking semi-auto with a attached bayonet and (gasp) grenade launcher. The Yugo only has a 10 round capacity, less than my S&W 6906 9mm.
    I think that all schools should have a firearms trained person, and that person (or people) should be required to keep a self defense weapon either on their person or secured at the school. And I believe that school events should be attended by a trained and armed person.
    There was that church a couple of years back, that saw the need and saved many lives as a result.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Starbuck View Post
    I think that all schools should have a firearms trained person, and that person (or people) should be required to keep a self defense weapon either on their person or secured at the school. And I believe that school events should be attended by a trained and armed person.
    There was that church a couple of years back, that saw the need and saved many lives as a result.
    Word is Michigan just fast-tracked a bill allowing concealed carry on school grounds, churches, and sports stadiums.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Generation Why? View Post
    Word is Michigan just fast-tracked a bill allowing concealed carry on school grounds, churches, and sports stadiums.
    We live in Mississippi, where no permit is required to carry loaded in your car, and that gun may be concealed on your person as long as you are in the vehicle.

    We also have an enhanced carry license whereby the gun may be carried anywhere but police stations and jails. It is very likely that students on university grounds are packing. Enhanced carry allows you to ignore local ordinances and business requests.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Generation Why? View Post
    Word is Michigan just fast-tracked a bill allowing concealed carry on school grounds, churches, and sports stadiums.
    It also requires additional training and range time for the endorsement and is in addition to, not a replacement of the exisiting Michigan CPL requirements. So just because you have a basic Michigan CPL does not mean you can carry in the places included in the new law.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madisonian View Post
    Why shouldn't a school teacher have a semi-automatic weapon (as opposed to the misnamed Assault Weapon) any more than you or I or any other member of this board?
    3 words.

    She was irresponsible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madisonian View Post
    It also requires additional training and range time for the endorsement and is in addition to, not a replacement of the exisiting Michigan CPL requirements. So just because you have a basic Michigan CPL does not mean you can carry in the places included in the new law.
    And private locations still have the final say on the matter. If a business owner doesn't want concealed firearms on his property, doesn't matter which version of the CPL you have.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkgirl View Post
    3 words.

    She was irresponsible.
    Sorry for not understanding your lack of specificity. You appeared to ask "why a school teacher (which I can find no information confirming that. Only reports I have seen list her as a one time stock broker) would have assault weapons" (which the Bushmaster was not). As far as being a "paranoid prepper" (again, your words) stockpiling arms and food in preparation of societal and economic collapse, probably more than a few of us on this board are guilty of that.

    I am not denying that she, as a person regardless of of occupation, proved to be irresponsible in the end. She failed to recognize (as many parents do) the instability of her child and paid for it with her life. We do not know how she stored the weapons but I am sure this will come out in at least 4 different versions, one of which may be the truth or close to it.
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    I keep hearing about what a sick individual the shoot was, but he has one thing in common with every other mass murdered throughout history. He was human.

    As a society distances itself from God these things are bound to happen and I believe will only get worse. The next one, and there will be a next one, will make this guy look like an amateur. Evil escalates and as a society we have chosen to, if not glorify, to accept a the norm things that are inherently evil.

    Just look at history over the last five decades are so. As a nation we have grown to accept what is wrong, discard what is good and then we act surprised when some nut who has taken society's morals to heart and guns down a bunch of 6 and 7 year old. Year after year moral behavior has declined and crime has gotten worse. Each year some event happens that was worse than those that preceded it.

    What does society do about this? Offer simple and useless solutions to solve complex issues. Banning guns does nothing more than make some people feel good, lets them feel like they've done something when in fact they have done nothing. Lock up all the dangerous nuts? How do you tell the dangerous ones from the harmless nuts? Who defines what constitutes a nut? All of this is nothing more than shooting at a moving target (no pun intended).

    God help us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FlaGator View Post
    Lock up all the dangerous nuts? How do you tell the dangerous ones from the harmless nuts? Who defines what constitutes a nut? All of this is nothing more than shooting at a moving target (no pun intended).

    God help us.
    I don't recall these mass shootings in the 70's and 80's growing up. I lived close to Bronx State Psychiatric Center. They institutionalized the criminally insane. Now, they go to jail, do some easy time and are let back out due to over-crowding. This country has turned it's back on the mentally ill. This is why we are seeing a rise in these types of events. Even Bellevue in NYC has turned in a regular medical center with the exception of a few wards. The mentally ill who are lucky enough to be diagnosed are being treated with drugs with no way to monitor compliance. Do we re-open shuttered mental institutions? I don't know if that is the answer...but what else is there?
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