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01-10-2013, 04:05 PM
4? I'd argue it's been about 20 years. I've always viewed the Obama presidency as one step furthering the failures of Bushy's Pseudo conservatism. However, The first idiot to start jettisoning descent FP wonks in favor of some "grand" design on the third world was Clinton. Then Bushy. Obama's just followed in thier footsteps. It was inevitable that when you give the guy you like a pass for 8 years the next guys gonna think he can too.
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01-14-2013, 01:29 AM
No, I'm describing an ideological war, like the Cold War, but unlike communism, Islamist imperialism has been around since the seventh century. Hitler's thousand year Reich barely made it into adolescence, and the workers' paradise lasted about as long as my grandparents, but Islam has been inspiring conquests for 1400 years, and the latest wave is picking up steam at a faster rate than any of the previous ones.
In 1932, there were several European countries that were capable of projecting power around the world, but Germany wasn't one of them. In fact, it was a ruined, impoverished state, demilitarized and utterly incapable of challenging the French and British empires. In 1941, Germany controlled all of Europe and threatened England. Your refusal to look at history is infuriating.
In the 1930s, Churchill was an object of ridicule and derision, officially censored and written out of polite society because of his views of Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union. He also happened to be right.
Gator routinely resorted to personal attacks and profanity when he didn't have rational arguments. Your constant refrain about kissing the asses of William Kristol and PNAC sound just like his diatribes about "filthy Israelis". If you don't like the comparison, don't adopt the behavior.
No, Hagel did, when he talked about a fictitious "Jewish lobby" that intimidates congress into adopting policies that they would otherwise not support. You keep avoiding addressing that point.
Hagel didn't say anything about Kristol, that's your obsession, but he has said a lot about Iran, Hamas, Hezbollah and other enemies of the US, all of it wrong.
No, but he's also sided with Israel's (and our) enemies at every opportunity. Even you must find Hamas and Hezbollah to be less than savory.
And yet, he found time to draft and sign a letter to Obama in 2009, demanding that he engage in direct talks with Hamas, whose charter demands the death of all Jews in the world, not just Israel. He can't be bothered to sign a symbolic letter against anti-Semitism, but he can write a letter on behalf of anti-Semites.
Backpedaling denials don't impress me. The rest of his record speaks for itself.
You're the only one that is claiming that Hagel is a realist, but since you are making the claim, I'd like you to present a definition of Realism as you see it, since I don't think that you have a clue what realpolitik is.
Have you ever actually read any of the position papers from PNAC or is this rage the result of a screwed up Weekly Standard subscription? Seriously, you keep invoking him as the bogeyman, but you don't ever cite any specifics. You sound like a DUmmie going off on Cheney and Halliburton.
Then, perhaps you can check their website for any content added after 2007? Because that's the last time anyone wrote anything under their auspices. Maybe they've gone underground, and are secretly running the government like the Illuminati, the Freemasons or the guys who burn crop circles in Area 51.
Written like someone who's never actually read Machiavelli. He was a supporter of republican governments, and served as the head of the city defenses for the Florentine Republic. His main point in the Prince is that a leader must be able to act decisively and not be constrained by abstractions when survival is on the line. This is not a call to abandon any moral compass, but rather an explanation of the proper place for subterfuge and force in government. He despised the courtiers who sought to substitute words for actions when actions were required, and who believed that diplomacy alone could prevent war. If you want a more explicit example of his democratic leanings, read his Discourses on Livy, but read something that he actually wrote before you dismiss him.
Seriously? Did you sleep through your classes or something? You really come off as staggeringly ignorant on the history of international relations.
You think that the US is in decline because of PNAC? I'd expect that from an Obama supporter, but only because they'd argue that the lower taxes and strong defense advocated by PNAC meant that the 99% were getting fewer benefits. America is in decline because we are spending borrowed money on social programs that are unsustainable, and because we will end up having to gut our defense capabilities in order to keep up the interest payments. We're in hock, not because of wars, but because of Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, Obamacare, Stimulus 1 and 2 and the rest of the out of control spending that the so-called "best and brightest" have imposed on us.
No, my world view on the Middle East is based on having studied the history of the conflict and done tours there. The religious culture of the region is also the political culture, because Islam, unlike the Thuggee cult, demands the conquest of the entire world. It is a totalitarian political, economic and religious doctrine that goes far beyond the prescriptions of any other religion in the world. The most widely respected guide to Sharia, the Reliance of the Traveler, dictates the conduct of Muslims in literally everything that they do, from personal hygiene to interactions with non-believers.--Odysseus
Sic Hacer Pace, Para Bellum.
Before you can do things for people, you must be the kind of man who can get things done. But to get things done, you must love the doing, not the people!
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01-14-2013, 01:29 AM
You would fight an invasion of Culture with bombs and bullets. This is ignorance.
[QUOTE=Molon Labe;546524]If the West....Americans, and Europeans are too stupid to fight for thier own ideals and laws of western culture, then they have lost already. I don't believe that and I don't believe that Islam is superior to Western culture.
And no gun, or Army can change that.
No, he's going to be worse, because none of the other SECDEF's saw their mission as the gutting of the DOD and the appeasement of our enemies.
I've come up with rational arguments, but your response was to accuse me of kissing Bill Kristol's ass, and you've got the nerve to accuse me of ad hominem attacks?
Today, none. In a few years, however, that is going to change, just as it changed in Europe prior to WWII.
Except that they are not rational actors, or rather, they are not rational in terms that you understand. Their assumptions are radically different, and their rational weighing of options and consequences is based on their messianic fervor. Iran declared war on us in 1979, and they have never retracted that declaration. They are on the way to developing nuclear weapons with the stated goal of expanding Islam. They see Israel as a proxy of the forces that seek to oppose the spread of the one true faith through Dar al Harb, the house of war. Those forces are the US, otherwise known in Iran as the Great Satan, and our allies, of which Israel is the closest. This is why they are developing missiles that can range the capital cities of Europe, and why they are doing joint naval exercises with Venezuela. They are seeking to initiate the final days, as predicted in the Quran, and Hagel's response is to permit them to develop nuclear arms, make nice with their terrorist proxies (which have murdered hundreds of Americans) and disarm us. That may make sense to you, but it doesn't make sense to anyone else this side of DU.--Odysseus
Sic Hacer Pace, Para Bellum.
Before you can do things for people, you must be the kind of man who can get things done. But to get things done, you must love the doing, not the people!
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01-14-2013, 02:05 AM
The country that you imagine has never existed anywhere at anytime, I swear some of you Libertarians live in a damn fantasy world, there has never nor will there ever be a perfect period of United states government nor will there ever be a perfect candidate or one even close to your fantasy for that matter.
Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil;
Who substitute darkness for light and light for darkness;
Who substitute bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter!
21 Woe to those who are wise in their own eyes
And clever in their own sight! Isaiah 5:20-21 NASB
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01-14-2013, 11:33 AM
Sure it has. You tell me who resembles the Washington's, Jefferson's, Paine's, and Adams of our day.
Romney?, McCain?, Rubio?, Ryan?, Palin? Ho ho...
Maybe it's you that has settled for low standards in your politicians because you think you have too. But don't make it someone else's problem because you keep eating your "shit sandwhich" and became complacent along the way.
Hayek said that the largest group of people in society are the ones with low standards. He's right.
In NO WAY do the people we have running our government represent the BEST this country has to offer.Gun Control: The theory that a woman found dead in an alley, raped and strangled with her panty hose, is somehow morally superior to a woman explaining to police how her attacker got that fatal bullet wound - Unknown
The problem is Empty People, Not Loaded Guns - Linda Schrock Taylor
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01-14-2013, 12:01 PM
Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil;
Who substitute darkness for light and light for darkness;
Who substitute bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter!
21 Woe to those who are wise in their own eyes
And clever in their own sight! Isaiah 5:20-21 NASB
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01-14-2013, 12:32 PM
I'm supremely confidant I know what "purity" is. How about following the damn constitution and actually voting for smaller government for once?
Basically you wish me to follow this playbook:
1. Settle for Imbeciles
2. Blame those with standards that it's all their fault rather than the "Imbeciles" (See #1)
3. Enjoy "Nothing ever Changes" coupled with "Things getting Worse". (MMM! Yummy shit sandwhich)Gun Control: The theory that a woman found dead in an alley, raped and strangled with her panty hose, is somehow morally superior to a woman explaining to police how her attacker got that fatal bullet wound - Unknown
The problem is Empty People, Not Loaded Guns - Linda Schrock Taylor
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#38 Re: Chuck Hagel Fact Sheet
01-14-2013, 01:36 PM
The problem is that you assume that anyone who doesn't share every one of your positions is an imbecile. Romney isn't stupid, he simply has a different take on some issues. He wasn't a perfect candidate, but he was certainly better than the only viable alternative. I wonder if even Reagan would make your cut today.
Sent from my SCH-I535 using Tapatalk 2--Odysseus
Sic Hacer Pace, Para Bellum.
Before you can do things for people, you must be the kind of man who can get things done. But to get things done, you must love the doing, not the people!
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01-14-2013, 01:44 PM
Gun Control: The theory that a woman found dead in an alley, raped and strangled with her panty hose, is somehow morally superior to a woman explaining to police how her attacker got that fatal bullet wound - Unknown
The problem is Empty People, Not Loaded Guns - Linda Schrock Taylor
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01-14-2013, 01:48 PM
Reagan is a good parallel, he had both houses of congress against him and got stopped on much that he wanted to do and had to compromise often, yet Romney in the same situation as governor was given no passes whatsoever, he was supposed to somehow overpower them all and be the super conservative. Without both houses being Democrat there would never have been the so called "Romney care" it was Massachusetts, wake up and smell the fucking coffee Paulbots.
Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil;
Who substitute darkness for light and light for darkness;
Who substitute bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter!
21 Woe to those who are wise in their own eyes
And clever in their own sight! Isaiah 5:20-21 NASB
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