As soon as GHWB dies, the WORST thing will be all of the nice eulogies about him

**Rebel Yell** · 12-27-2012, 01:36 PM

Originally Posted by Novaheart

As a rule, I am not going to change my opinion of someone because he's dead or dying.

I've caught lots of grief in the real world for this. That is, until I point out the way those people felt about the same person. A piece of shit in life is still a piece of shit in death.

**xbow** · 12-27-2012, 02:48 PM

Originally Posted by Novaheart

As a rule, I am not going to change my opinion of someone because he's dead or dying. I think anyone who broadly declare "grave dancing" to be beneath himself simply isn't being objective. There is plenty of "good riddance" to be heard and little in the way of compassion for the family when folks on a BBS agree that a given person is/was a monster. So it's a matter of degree. I happen to like George Bush even if I think that Barbara is a time traveling Gorgon. I used to think that she was a long suffering and kind society matron who had to live with her choices. Then I saw how she looked at and treated Jenna Louise Hawkins Welch, and realized that she was no sweet old lady.

When Robert Mugabe dies, and I hope it's painfully, I plan on declaring the Earth to be light one piece of shit. Pretending otherwise wouldn't be good manners, it would be stupidity.

No politician (any party; any country; any TIME) is/ever WAS "honest" or "moral" or "sincere"...etc..etc...Some are ALL of these things sometimes...but they all have a continuously variable internal compass...Some are more malignant than others...some do less damage and some are pure evil.

But hell, that's just how humans are. Always have been. Always will be. All systems...all governments eventually collapse due to corruption of various kinds. All nations were born in blood and they all die in blood. It's a fact.
Generally and in our system particularly, anyone who thinks "their" guy is "better" than the other guy ...or really any different...has been thoroughly indoctrinated.

**Lanie** · 12-27-2012, 05:59 PM

Originally Posted by Novaheart

As a rule, I am not going to change my opinion of someone because he's dead or dying. I think anyone who broadly declare "grave dancing" to be beneath himself simply isn't being objective. There is plenty of "good riddance" to be heard and little in the way of compassion for the family when folks on a BBS agree that a given person is/was a monster. So it's a matter of degree. I happen to like George Bush even if I think that Barbara is a time traveling Gorgon. I used to think that she was a long suffering and kind society matron who had to live with her choices. Then I saw how she looked at and treated Jenna Louise Hawkins Welch, and realized that she was no sweet old lady.

When Robert Mugabe dies, and I hope it's painfully, I plan on declaring the Earth to be light one piece of shit. Pretending otherwise wouldn't be good manners, it would be stupidity.

So, perhaps the problem is that some people need a change of heart? I understand an opinion not changing when one dies. My opinion about most people is that it's bad when they die because if nothing else, their family and friends will miss them. You name the bad guy, and I actually do feel badly for their family once they're dead.

JB · 12-27-2012, 08:07 PM

MrScorpio...

Congratulations Mr. Obvious for having the same insight that every other DUmmy will have.

Thank you for not having an original thought on the subject. That would have been impressive. As you are just a douche, you've lived up to douche expectations.

**Hawkgirl** · 12-28-2012, 02:27 AM

DUmmies, I hate to interrupt your hatefest, but the former President has a bad case of bronchitis. He will be alright. It's common to get complications at his age, but he's not going anywhere. Go dance on someone else's grave, Hugo Chavez should be hitting the bucket soon enough.

**Lanie** · 12-28-2012, 01:14 PM

Originally Posted by Hawkgirl

DUmmies, I hate to interrupt your hatefest, but the former President has a bad case of bronchitis. He will be alright. It's common to get complications at his age, but he's not going anywhere. Go dance on someone else's grave, Hugo Chavez should be hitting the bucket soon enough.

Oddly enough, the Communists and radical socialists who don't believe in free press seem to be too mean to die. What diet is Castro on?

**Odysseus** · 12-28-2012, 01:39 PM

Originally Posted by JPRD

That leftist low-life speaks of GHWB's bloody conduct in the CIA?? He should be reminded that unlike our present leftwing President, GHWB wasn't targeting American citizens for death by drone. I have no problem with killing an American terrorist with a drone strike or by any other means. My problem is with the hypocritical, two-faced leftists who ignore such acts when their own "Mr. Peace-Lover" commits them!

Leftists have no problem with killing their opponents. It's only when the opponents object to dying that they have a problem. Mass murder is a feature, not a bug, in their program, but so is propagandizing and projection. Thus, George HW Bush, who served his country during the Cold War and WWII, during which he fought the spread of totalitarianism, is a bad guy in their eyes, because they were on the side of the totalitarians. Meanwhile, Che Guevara, a totalitarian mass murderer and sadistic bigot adorns their t-shirts. It's ignorance and hypocrisy.

Originally Posted by Novaheart

As a rule, I am not going to change my opinion of someone because he's dead or dying. I think anyone who broadly declare "grave dancing" to be beneath himself simply isn't being objective. There is plenty of "good riddance" to be heard and little in the way of compassion for the family when folks on a BBS agree that a given person is/was a monster. So it's a matter of degree. I happen to like George Bush even if I think that Barbara is a time traveling Gorgon. I used to think that she was a long suffering and kind society matron who had to live with her choices. Then I saw how she looked at and treated Jenna Louise Hawkins Welch, and realized that she was no sweet old lady.

When Robert Mugabe dies, and I hope it's painfully, I plan on declaring the Earth to be light one piece of shit. Pretending otherwise wouldn't be good manners, it would be stupidity.

The issue is objective standards. I did a bit of grave dancing over Teddy Kennedy, not because he was a liberal or a Democrat, but because he let a girl drown and did nothing, because he conspired with the Soviets to undermine two presidents in order to advance his ambitions, and because he was a drunken lout who treated women like disposable kleenex, while being lauded as a champion by feminists. I happen to have profound disagreements with GWH Bush, but his character is beyond reproach. If a Republican had the same history and conduct as Teddy, I'd treat him the same way.

Originally Posted by Hawkgirl

DUmmies, I hate to interrupt your hatefest, but the former President has a bad case of bronchitis. He will be alright. It's common to get complications at his age, but he's not going anywhere. Go dance on someone else's grave, Hugo Chavez should be hitting the bucket soon enough.

Ah, but they love Chavez. He's doing exactly what they want a dictator to do. They'll mourn and eulogize him to the skies for impoverishing Venezuela and destroying its civic order. When he dies, it will take decades for the country to recover and develop the civil institutions that he swept away by his autocratic rule.

**Adam Wood** · 12-28-2012, 06:00 PM

Originally Posted by Novaheart

As a rule, I am not going to change my opinion of someone because he's dead or dying. I think anyone who broadly declare "grave dancing" to be beneath himself simply isn't being objective. There is plenty of "good riddance" to be heard and little in the way of compassion for the family when folks on a BBS agree that a given person is/was a monster. So it's a matter of degree. I happen to like George Bush even if I think that Barbara is a time traveling Gorgon. I used to think that she was a long suffering and kind society matron who had to live with her choices. Then I saw how she looked at and treated Jenna Louise Hawkins Welch, and realized that she was no sweet old lady.

When Robert Mugabe dies, and I hope it's painfully, I plan on declaring the Earth to be light one piece of shit. Pretending otherwise wouldn't be good manners, it would be stupidity.

I'm afraid I'm lost here. What did Barbara do to Laura's mother?

**Lager** · 12-28-2012, 06:58 PM

How fortunate for this poster that there exists an internet. Without it, he'd be sitting in his underwear on a futon; watching the TV and screaming at republicans so hard that he'd be spewing crumbs from his oreos all over himself. But lucky for him, he found a cesspool that not only tolerates his juvenile outrage and hatred, but agrees with it.

You know, Bush One was pretty much a moderate. He wasn't overly religious, never threatened abortion rights, and fought a war that was quite popular with both political factions. He even raised taxes! The fact that they have to pump up their pseudo outrage and hatred even toward him, speaks a lot to their reasoning ability and calls into question their mental condition. Scarey.

**southernlady** · 12-28-2012, 07:19 PM

Originally Posted by Novaheart

even if I think that Barbara is a time traveling Gorgon. I used to think that she was a long suffering and kind society matron who had to live with her choices. Then I saw how she looked at and treated Jenna Louise Hawkins Welch, and realized that she was no sweet old lady.

I'm lost too...no clue what she did and google was no help.