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  1. #1 What do you believe? 
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    Words below are those of a gent named Robert A. Heinlein. If you are a steady reader of science fiction you have probably heard of him, otherwise not so likely. Written in 1952, his words are a fair account of what folk of the time would regard as Liberal. This of course well before the meaning of liberal and progressive switched completely to mean front for Marxism. This also was a time when a conservative in America was a paleo-conservative (today's term) and not as in many cases to a 'neocon' aka a menshevik who changed the label but neither the core beliefs or goals. The conservative of that day (certainly the same town sort) would have nodded in agreement with 90% of what follows.

    Sad, that America has degenerated to such an extent in 60 odd years that these words can no longer be spoken with a straight face.

    "I am not going to talk about religious beliefs, but about matters so obvious that it has gone out of style to mention them."

    "I believe in my neighbors."

    "I know their faults and I know that their virtues far outweigh their faults. Take Father Michael down our road a piece --I'm not of his creed, but I know the goodness and charity and lovingkindness that shine in his daily actions. I believe in Father Mike; if I'm in trouble, I'll go to him. My next-door neighbor is a veterinary doctor. Doc will get out of bed after a hard day to help a stray cat. No fee -- no prospect of a fee. I believe in Doc."

    "I believe in my townspeople. You can knock on any door in our town say, 'I'm hungry,' and you will be fed. Our town is no exception; I've found the same ready charity everywhere. For the one who says, 'To heck with you -- I got mine,' there are a hundred, a thousand, who will say, 'Sure, pal, sit down.'

    "I know that, despite all warnings against hitchhikers, I can step to the highway, thumb for a ride and in a few minutes a car or a truck will stop and someone will say, 'Climb in, Mac. How how far you going?'

    "I believe in my fellow citizens. Our headlines are splashed with crime, yet for every criminal there are 10,000 honest decent kindly men. If it were not so, no child would live to grow up, business could not go on from day to day. Decency is not news; it is buried in the obituaries --but it is a force stronger than crime."

    "I believe in the patient gallantry of nurses...in the tedious sacrifices of teachers. I believe in the unseen and unending fight against desperate odds that goes on quietly in almost every home in the land."

    "I believe in the honest craft of workmen. Take a look around you. There never were enough bosses to check up on all that work. From Independence Hall to the Grand Coulee Dam, these things were built level and square by craftsmen who were honest in their bones."

    "I believe that almost all politicians are honest. For every bribed alderman there are hundreds of politicians, low paid or not paid at all, doing their level best without thanks or glory to make our system work. If this were not true, we would never have gotten past the thirteen colonies."

    "I believe in Rodger Young. You and I are free today because of endless unnamed heroes from Valley Forge to the Yalu River."

    "I believe in -- I am proud to belong to -- the United States. Despite shortcomings, from lynchings to bad faith in high places, our nation has had the most decent and kindly internal practices and foreign policies to be found anywhere in history."

    "And finally, I believe in my whole race. Yellow, white, black, red, brown --in the honesty, courage, intelligence, durability....and goodness.....of the overwhelming majority of my brothers and sisters everywhere on this planet. I am proud to be a human being. I believe that we have come this far by the skin of our teeth, that we always make it just by the skin of our teeth --but that we will always make it....survive....endure. I believe that this hairless embryo with the aching, oversize brain case and the opposable thumb, this animal barely up from the apes, will endure --will endure longer than his home planet, will spread out to the other planets, to the stars, and beyond, carrying with him his honesty, his insatiable curiosity, his unlimited courage --and his noble essential decency."

    "This I believe with all my heart."
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    His attitude toward government, including the US government, evolved to a MUCH more cynical and suspicious one later in his life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DumbAss Tanker View Post
    His attitude toward government, including the US government, evolved to a MUCH more cynical and suspicious one later in his life.
    Quite true as the US Government evolved in a manner which makes cynical suspicion quite rational and indeed necessary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by american patriot View Post
    Quite true as the US Government evolved in a manner which makes cynical suspicion quite rational and indeed necessary.
    Certainly off topic but while we are discussing what you believe, how do you feel about the USS Liberty?
    The difference between pigs and people is that when they tell you you're cured it isn't a good thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DumbAss Tanker View Post
    His attitude toward government, including the US government, evolved to a MUCH more cynical and suspicious one later in his life.
    In his latter years he was so damn IMPATIENT. Why aren't we teaching advanced biology in the grade schools? Why can't every person be great at everything?

    You have only to read "Friday" and compare his scorn to the more tempered cynicism of Stranger in a Strange land and, of course, The Past Through Tomorrow (which was relatively upbeat and optimistic).
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    Quote Originally Posted by freedumb2003 View Post
    In his latter years he was so damn IMPATIENT. Why aren't we teaching advanced biology in the grade schools? Why can't every person be great at everything?

    You have only to read "Friday" and compare his scorn to the more tempered cynicism of Stranger in a Strange land and, of course, The Past Through Tomorrow (which was relatively upbeat and optimistic).
    I have to say that the stuff he wrote after Stranger in a Strange Land went steadily downhill, though there were still a lot of good parts in it. As one SF author I knew said, 'That's what you get when a guy turns 70 and discovers sex.'
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rockntractor View Post
    Certainly off topic but while we are discussing what you believe, how do you feel about the USS Liberty?
    IMHO, Israel attacked the USS Liberty knowingly in an Act of War. May LBJ rot in hell for his cowardly/corrupt failure to retaliate for the USN sailors killed and maimed.
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    I believe you are an idiot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DumbAss Tanker View Post
    I have to say that the stuff he wrote after Stranger in a Strange Land went steadily downhill, though there were still a lot of good parts in it. As one SF author I knew said, 'That's what you get when a guy turns 70 and discovers sex.'
    Stranger in a Strange Land (1961) (redacted)...........not so good
    Podkayne of Mars (1962)........................................youn g audience
    Glory Road (1963)............................................ .....GOOD
    Farnham's Freehold (1964).....................................VERY GOOD
    The Moon is a Harsh Mistress (1966).......................ONE OF HIS VERY BEST
    The Past through Tomorrow (1967).........................OK
    I Will Fear No Evil (1970).........................................OK
    Time Enough for Love (1973)..................................VERY GOOD
    The Notebooks of Lazarus Long (1978)....................GOOD
    The Number of the Beast (1980)..............................OK
    Expanded Universe (1980) nonfiction, includes collected stories........GOOD
    Friday (1982)............................................ ...................................OK
    Job: A Comedy of Justice (1984)............................................ ........not so good
    The Cat Who Walks through Walls (1985).......................................never read it
    To Sail Beyond the Sunset (1987)............................................ ......getting weird
    Grumbles from the Grave (1989) collected letters..........................dead men writing
    Stranger in a Strange Land (1991) original UNCUT......................never read it
    Requiem and Tributes to the Grand Master (1992) includes collected stories......never read it
    Take Back Your Government! (1992)nonfiction.................................. .......never read it
    Tramp Royale (1992) nonfiction........................................ ......................never read it
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    There is a very early novel never published in his lifetime- 'For Us, the Living' which tells a fair if preachy tale and has the faults of a newbie writer as he was in the 1930's but broaches many themes from his latter writing and gives some interesting insights regarding his economic and political ideals.
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