Surprise! Obama Is Creating More New Jobs Than George W. Bush

[JB]

That's great Lanie.

Fredo enjoys a pittance in job growth, during an economic recovery no less. Bush had to deal with 9/11 and the housing crisis (no matter whose fault it was *cough*Democrats*cough).

Unemployment is still at 7.8% (terrible). Growth is about 2% (terrible). Your taxes just went up. Your wages went down during the recovery (regardless of the tax increase). Unimaginable and unfathomable crushing debt. And increasing. Worst creator of debt for any human being in any country at any point in history. Yearly deficit at $1.2 Trillion and climbing. Just raised taxes on 80+% of the country when he told us (and lied obviously) that he would only raise taxes on the top 2%. That class warfare lying SOB bullshit gave him a second term. You bought it, not me. No spending cuts offered, in spite of his "balanced approach" bullshit. No entitlements reform. Wants unfettered access to the debt ceiling for the next two years. Gas and food prices higher than ever.

Should I continue? Is this what you want for the country? Is this the path we should be on...practically no economic growth and the expansion of government...at your expense? If that's what you want, congrats, you got it.

[Rockntractor]

That's great Lanie.

Fredo enjoys a pittance in job growth, during an economic recovery no less. Bush had to deal with 9/11 and the housing crisis (no matter whose fault it was *cough*Democrats*cough).

Unemployment is still at 7.8% (terrible). Growth is about 2% (terrible). Your taxes just went up. Your wages went down during the recovery (regardless of the tax increase). Unimaginable and unfathomable crushing debt. And increasing. Worst creator of debt for any human being in any country at any point in history. Yearly deficit at $1.2 Trillion and climbing. Just raised taxes on 80+% of the country when he told us (and lied obviously) that he would only raise taxes on the top 2%. That class warfare lying SOB bullshit gave him a second term. You bought it, not me. No spending cuts offered, in spite of his "balanced approach" bullshit. No entitlements reform. Wants unfettered access to the debt ceiling for the next two years. Gas and food prices higher than ever.

Should I continue? Is this what you want for the country? Is this the path we should be on...practically no economic growth and the expansion of government...at your expense? If that's what you want, congrats, you got it.

I don't understand why she has sided with evil.

[JB]

I don't understand why she has sided with evil.

No idea. North Carolina has some lib infestation so maybe she's been hanging around them.

Lanie, get yourself a decent conservative man and repent damnit.

[txradioguy]

I don't understand why she has sided with evil.

Because what she does here is an act Rock. She pretends to want to try and get along with us and convince us she not a dyed in the wool socialist so she won't get banned.

In reality she's just as hard left as her brethren at the DUmp.

She "sided with evil" because what 44 stands for is what she believes in too. She just tries to wrap it in a sugary coating hoping we don't notice.


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[Lanie]

Lanie,

Two things:

1. The piece you cite is based on dodgy stats. From yesterday's Zero Hedge:




2. The plight of the long term unemployed is far worse than for those recently unemployed. The long term unemployed have less and less of a chance of being hired and many of these either are counted or will be counted as "discouraged workers", who are removed from the official numbers. NPR, hardly a conservative source, notes this:



So, basically, the government is playing with labor stats, and, for many workers, the chance of ever being gainfully employed again is minimal. Such is Obama's America.

Good point. I personally think employers are being cruel jerks for their attitudes. A lot of them got the nerve to look down on those who don't have work all the while they refuse to hire somebody who isn't working. It sort of makes me not feel sorry for them when they undergo burdens such as taxes. Truth is if they'd look at the applicant's resume and past work, they'd find that they either did have the right skill set or were not far from it. People talk about on the job training. That's almost a thing of the past. Truth is if the factory work was still here, employers would require a degree to do the job. Then, they'll complain because they don't have any employees. I'm just feeling less and less sympathy toward employers. If you're an employer who isn't like that, then I'm not talking about you.

As for my original argument, this isn't about the unemployment rate so much as it was about the actual job growth. More new jobs were created under Obama than under Bush. Not to mention when Bush got out of office, jobs were being lost as an unusually high amount.

http://www.bls.gov/opub/ted/2009/jan/wk2/art02.htm

In December, the number of unemployed persons increased by 632,000 to 11.1 million and the unemployment rate rose to 7.2 percent. Since the start of the recession in December 2007, the number of unemployed persons has grown by 3.6 million, and the unemployment rate has risen by 2.3 percentage points.

For those of you wanting to blame it on Obama getting elected.

http://www.bls.gov/opub/ted/2008/jun/wk2/art01.htm

The number of unemployed persons increased by 861,000 to 8.5 million in May.
A year earlier, the number of unemployed persons was 6.9 million, and the jobless rate was 4.5 percent.
The unemployment rates for adult men, adult women, teenagers, whites, and blacks rose in May. The jobless rate for Hispanics was unchanged.
Among the unemployed, the number of reentrants and new entrants to the labor force rose in May, by 326,000 and 204,000, respectively.
The number of persons who had lost their last job increased by 268,000 over the month to 4.3 million. Over the past 12 months, the number of unemployed job losers has risen by 907,000.
These data are from the Current Population Survey program and are seasonally adjusted. To learn more, see "The Employment Situation: May 2008," (HTML) (PDF) news release USDL 08-0757.

So, we were losing jobs and losing jobs in 2008. It couldn't be ignored anymore. As for lower rates during earlier Bush years, keep in mind there were discouraged workers then as well. With Obama pushing for unemployment extensions and Bush doing no such thing, of course his unemployment rate will appear higher than Bush's. Those people who have extended benefits are not considered discouraged workers in the eyes of economists yet.


Overview of the recession from 2007-2009. Notice whose watch this was under for the most part.

http://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2011/04/art1full.pdf

[Lanie]

I don't understand why she has sided with evil.

Are you serious? You think I've sided with evil because I disagree with you? Please say you're not serious.

[Lanie]

No idea. North Carolina has some lib infestation so maybe she's been hanging around them.

Lanie, get yourself a decent conservative man and repent damnit.

My neck of the woods is pretty conservative. I choose to hang out with my Catholic group whenever I do hang out. I don't spend a lot of time doing politics anymore. Most of my time is spent working. Don't tell the rest of the board that liberals work. It's our ultimate secret.

And with the way you, Rock, and Tx are acting in this thread, I'd rather go the rest of my life without ever having sex than have a conservative man.

Because what she does here is an act Rock. She pretends to want to try and get along with us and convince us she not a dyed in the wool socialist so she won't get banned.

In reality she's just as hard left as her brethren at the DUmp.

She "sided with evil" because what 44 stands for is what she believes in too. She just tries to wrap it in a sugary coating hoping we don't notice.


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Why would I be banned for showing my liberal leanings? I told everybody here I was a liberal. So every once in a while I actually show it. It's up to the staff if they want to ban me, but honestly I've seen far more liberal and they had me around when I was far worse. When I actually was bad.

Why is it that if I'm "good," even compliment you on occasion, you don't have one word to say to me, but you come out of the woodwork if I do something you don't like? It's like you're waiting for my liberal side to come out so you can jump out of the bushes.

[Lanie]

That's great Lanie.

Fredo enjoys a pittance in job growth, during an economic recovery no less. Bush had to deal with 9/11 and the housing crisis (no matter whose fault it was *cough*Democrats*cough).

You know what my first job was coming out of college? It last a few weeks. Trying to talk people into financing for a house when they probably couldn't get it because of their credit. If they could get it, the interest would be way too high. My own boss admitted it was bull, and I had to leave. Bush could have tried to regulate some of it, but he didn't.

Unemployment is still at 7.8% (terrible). Growth is about 2% (terrible).

The unemployment rate is higher partially because of extended benefits. Otherwise, they'd be considered discouraged workers and not counting on the charts, just like some of them did under Bush. Thousands of jobs were being lost a month under Bush by the end. That's not growth. We didn't want more years of Bush's economical ideas.

Your taxes just went up.

The tax cut for social security taxes expired. I don't mind this because we keep talking about saving social security. Why would we be taking money out of it to give people a tax break? Social Security is NOT an entitlement. The elderly worked their entire lives. They deserve it. At least I know where my money is going on this one. That's more than I can say when I pay taxes in my conservative state. I have no clue where that goes.

Your wages went down during the recovery (regardless of the tax increase).

Actually, mine personally went up. For the first time ever, I've been working a job with middle class wages. That didn't happen under Bush. I don't know how many times I was told under Bush to be thankful I even had my minimum wage job.

Unimaginable and unfathomable crushing debt.

Which Bush started by putting a war on the credit card. Whoever heard of lowering taxes during a war? Higher taxes can go toward paying off some of the debt. BTW, Republicans are not helping when they insist on money for the military that they don't ask for. So, we've pulled out of Iraq. That should help keep us from getting more into debt. We're working on getting out of Afghanistan, which will do the same. And no, I'm not saying defund the military, but they're not even asking for that money. Republicans were not helping when they put our federal money into abstinience only programs years ago.

And increasing. Worst creator of debt for any human being in any country at any point in history. Yearly deficit at $1.2 Trillion and climbing. Just raised taxes on 80+% of the country when he told us (and lied obviously) that he would only raise taxes on the top 2%.

But be honest, who were the house fighting so hard for? It was NOT for 80% of the country. It was for the rich.

That class warfare lying SOB bullshit gave him a second term. You bought it, not me. No spending cuts offered, in spite of his "balanced approach" bullshit. No entitlements reform. Wants unfettered access to the debt ceiling for the next two years. Gas and food prices higher than ever.

You act like we started the class warfare. Reagan started it when he wrongly labeled people as welfare queens (when most of them were really single mothers trying to survive). Bush claimed that we just wanted to punish the rich for being rich. Romney claimed we all just wanted to mooch. I think the Republicans started this crap. Don't pretend your side is innocent.

Should I continue? Is this what you want for the country? Is this the path we should be on...practically no economic growth and the expansion of government...at your expense? If that's what you want, congrats, you got it.

What I want is a balanced approach where we pay taxes to help the debt. Give tax breaks where it's needed. That would be the poor, but it would also be to companies promising to hire more people or at least not let go of who they have. I want an approach that keeps companies from going overseas. I want regulation in our companies, but not too far.

I want so called entitlement programs, but I also want more programs helping people get off of them. Bush didn't fight for that. Obama did. He encouraged more education to help people get the skills they need to get a job.

[Starbuck]

Lanie has struck back! RUN!!

OK. But I'd still like to hear the response to my post, which you must have missed......I guess.

A solid argument, is, after all, a solid argument. And if you have an argument to present I'd like to hear it. Who knows? You might be able to convert me to an Obama fan.

[DumbAss Tanker]

Meaningless bullshit, Lanie, and if you actually thought it through you'd know it (Of course, being that you're a Liberal, I realize that actually analyzing one of your Party's talking points is alien to your thought process, like asking a Eurotrash soccer fan what his cheer really means). "Saved or created" is as meaningless and devoid of real content as calling Obama policies "Tastes great, less filling!" By that kind of retarded claim, everyone who had a job when Bush took office and still had one when he left would be a job Bush 'Saved,' and the 'Created' part includes every Christmas temp and 60-day construction boondoggle job in the last four years...even if the SAME PERSON might have held four or five of those 'Obama-created' jobs in that time.

I don't think you're gonna have to worry about that sex with a Conservative man thing too much, brainless cheerleading stops being attractive when the woman doing it gets out of her mid-twenties and loses the cheerleader body.