Page 2 of 2 FirstFirst 12
Results 11 to 19 of 19
  1. #11  
    Senior Member DumbAss Tanker's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2002
    Location
    Missouri
    Posts
    2,685
    It kind of goes to what you actually mean by 'Winning.' The war they actually did end up fighting was unwinnable for them, but there were many points up until December 10 of 1941 wherre they could have made different choices or decisions than they really did, that would have turned out far more favorably for Germany.
    Reply With Quote  
     

  2. #12  
    Senior Member Madisonian's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2010
    Location
    Peoples Democratic Socialist Republic of Michiganistanovia
    Posts
    2,417
    I guess "France" is not the right answer?
    Reply With Quote  
     

  3. #13  
    Senior Member Bailey's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2010
    Posts
    6,151
    Quote Originally Posted by Odysseus View Post
    Actually, Hitler came much closer to winning the war than you think. First, he abandoned his invasion plans of Britain at a point when the luftwaffe had reduced the RAF to the point where they were on the verge of collapse. If Hitler had kept up the Blitz for a few more weeks, he'd have had air supremacy and the invasion would have been successful. Instead, he called it off and prepared to invade Russia. The second error that he made was not reinforcing Rommel in North Africa. Rommel had routed the British repeatedly, but was hamstrung by logistics. Had he been given some of the materiale that went to Russia, he could have broken through to Egypt and then the Middle Eastern oil fields, and he could have then driven up through the Caucasus into the middle of the USSR, which would have prevented Stalin's movement of the Soviet production facilities to the east and destroyed the Red Army in a great pincer movement. And, it would have divided Britain from its colonies in Asia and Africa, further crippling the British war effort.
    After Pearl Harbor, Germany could have declined to declare war on the US, delaying American entry into the war, and would have limited the amount of Lend/Lease equipment that the US sent to Russia and Britain. Finally, a German conquest of Britain would have meant that iwhen the US did enter the war against Germany, we would not have had a staging area in Europe, protected by the English Channel, and within bombing range of Germany.

    Germany lost the war because Hitler made some extremely poor strategic decisions. We won because those decisions gave us the time to build up the armed forces that we'd neglected between the wars.

    Given these scenarios, the post-WWII world after a German victory would look a lot like the post-WWII Cold War, with the US and Germany facing off over the Atlantic, and jockeying for power in Asia with a defeated Japan as a base of operations. There would not have been a communist state in China, North Korea or Vietnam, but there might have been fascist states in some of those countries. Many of our same elites would be as sympathetic to the fascists as they were to the communists, and we'd have the same problems with them that we had during the Cold War. As for what the nations under Nazi control would be like, the Germans differed from the Soviets in that their ideology, being racial as well as economic, demanded the elimination of anyone who wasn't a card-carrying Aryan, so their policies would have been pretty much what we saw in Poland, where they reduced the native population to a bare subsistence level with the intent of eventually eliminating them. Europe would have been gradually reduced to ethnic Germans and related peoples, and the death camps would have been expanded and maintained throughout the intervening decades. It would have been a horror beyond what they accomplished during WWII, with billions killed instead of millions. For that DUmmie to compare us to the Nazis is despicable and grotesque.


    If Hitler attacked the USSR in the spring instead of the summer it might have been very different.
    We're from Philadelphia, We Fight- Chip Kelly
    Reply With Quote  
     

  4. #14  
    Senior Member LukeEDay's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2012
    Location
    Happy Valley
    Posts
    2,046

    I love my God, my country, my flag, and my troops ....
    _ WELFARE IS NOT AN ENTITLEMENT! _
    Reply With Quote  
     

  5. #15  
    CU Royalty JB's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2005
    Posts
    8,020
    Nazis are Leftists so just look at what is happening to the country today.

    Higher taxes and big government.
    Be Not Afraid.
    Reply With Quote  
     

  6. #16 Re: What would the world look like if the NAZIs had won World War II? 
    LTC Member Odysseus's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Location
    FT Belvoir, VA
    Posts
    15,638
    Quote Originally Posted by noonwitch View Post
    Any leader who is worshipped like a God by the people and doesn't listen to his generals is doomed to fail, with the possible exception of Augustus.
    So, you're saying that Obama is going to fail?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bailey View Post
    If Hitler attacked the USSR in the spring instead of the summer it might have been very different.
    His timing definitely worked against him, but that was part of his strategic blindness. Rommel could have gone through Egypt to the Caucasus and attacked Moscow from the south, dividing the USSR and trapping the Red Army west of Stalingrad. It would have been far better than trying to repeat Napoleon's failure.



    Sent from my SCH-I535 using Tapatalk 2
    --Odysseus
    Sic Hacer Pace, Para Bellum.

    Before you can do things for people, you must be the kind of man who can get things done. But to get things done, you must love the doing, not the people!
    Reply With Quote  
     

  7. #17  
    Senior Member Bailey's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2010
    Posts
    6,151
    Quote Originally Posted by Odysseus View Post
    So, you're saying that Obama is going to fail?



    His timing definitely worked against him, but that was part of his strategic blindness. Rommel could have gone through Egypt to the Caucasus and attacked Moscow from the south, dividing the USSR and trapping the Red Army west of Stalingrad. It would have been far better than trying to repeat Napoleon's failure.



    Sent from my SCH-I535 using Tapatalk 2
    Timing was everything when you think of the russian winter, I really think we should have let Germany beat the USSR and then got into the war to pick them off. Would have saved 50 years of cold war. IMHO
    We're from Philadelphia, We Fight- Chip Kelly
    Reply With Quote  
     

  8. #18  
    Resident Grandpa marv's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Location
    Shell Knob, MO
    Posts
    3,031
    The world is full of "what if's". Trying to guess what the world would look like after a Nazi victory is like predicting the weather five or seven years from now. Not even Al Gore can do that.

    http://members.socket.net/~mcruzan/images/allen-west.jpg

    Four boxes keep us free: the soap box, the ballot box, the jury box, and the cartridge box.

    THIS POST WILL BE MONITORED BY THE NSA
    Reply With Quote  
     

  9. #19  
    PORCUS MAXIMUS Rockntractor's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2009
    Location
    oklahoma
    Posts
    42,117
    Quote Originally Posted by marv View Post
    The world is full of "what if's". Trying to guess what the world would look like after a Nazi victory is like predicting the weather five or seven years from now. Not even Al Gore can do that.
    If Al Gore say's it will rain in five years you best stand out side and spit on yourself to get wet, we will not tolerate nonconformists!
    The difference between pigs and people is that when they tell you you're cured it isn't a good thing.
    http://i.imgur.com/FHvkMSE.jpg
    Reply With Quote  
     

Bookmarks
Bookmarks
Posting Permissions
  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •