BREAKING: Panetta opens combat roles to women

**Generation Why?** · 01-30-2013, 11:23 AM

Originally Posted by txradioguy

Go look at the current scoring chart for the APFT...do you honestly think the standards are going to remain the same or in any way "fair"?

Not trying to be mean or snarky...just telling to to think about what you know about the military and how things work and then ask yourself that question.

I honestly do think they would change the standards but not to the extent that they should.

I don't want to soften the APFT standards. If a woman wants to go the 11A/B route, I think she should have to meet the same existing criteria for the men. I don't want a middle-man compromise. I think the standards for women in combat roles would increase but not to the current standard men have. Which I don't like.

**Generation Why?** · 01-30-2013, 11:25 AM

Originally Posted by Rockntractor

Many Libertarians like liberals want to see the dismantling of the military, unlike most liberals they won't tell you that that is their intent.

I want to fight declared wars. I want responsible defense spending. How is that dismantling the military? I don't want to cut one job from the military because I know if we are responsible with our money we don't have to.

Lastly, rock, why would I want to dismantle the military? I am in the military...

**Rockntractor** · 01-30-2013, 11:50 AM

Originally Posted by Generation Why?

Lastly, rock, why would I want to dismantle the military? I am in the military...

Liberals are notorious for sawing off the limb they are sitting on, it is almost expected of them at some point.

**txradioguy** · 01-30-2013, 02:56 PM

Originally Posted by Generation Why?

I honestly do think they would change the standards but not to the extent that they should.

I don't want to soften the APFT standards. If a woman wants to go the 11A/B route, I think she should have to meet the same existing criteria for the men. I don't want a middle-man compromise. I think the standards for women in combat roles would increase but not to the current standard men have. Which I don't like.

But that's not gonna happen. It's already been proven when they let women fly fighter jets.

They have to lower the physical standards so the women can pass and those people that use us as a social engineering ant farm don't end up looking foolish.

Women are on the front lines right now anyway. So this is not about letting them into the fight.

**Generation Why?** · 01-30-2013, 03:31 PM

Originally Posted by Rockntractor

Liberals are notorious for sawing off the limb they are sitting on, it is almost expected of them at some point.

It's astonishing that you have over 35,000 posts with almost no substances. Just a bunch of non-sensical one-liners. And your reply has nothing to do with me or my views.

**Generation Why?** · 01-30-2013, 03:34 PM

Originally Posted by txradioguy

But that's not gonna happen. It's already been proven when they let women fly fighter jets.

They have to lower the physical standards so the women can pass and those people that use us as a social engineering ant farm don't end up looking foolish.

Women are on the front lines right now anyway. So this is not about letting them into the fight.

We are in agreement, tx. We both know that if there is any change in standards, it won't be to better our military. I think the female standards should be increased as it is just based on the females that I work with. They have no trouble passing their APFTs and usually score in the 250s on the men's scale. Granted it is a small sample size.

**Retread** · 01-30-2013, 09:08 PM

Originally Posted by Generation Why?

It's astonishing that you have over 35,000 posts with almost no substances. Just a bunch of non-sensical one-liners. And your reply has nothing to do with me or my views.

Take him to the dome rock!!!!! If anyone ever posted with no substance it is gw.

**Rockntractor** · 01-30-2013, 09:13 PM

Originally Posted by Retread

Take him to the dome rock!!!!! If anyone ever posted with no substance it is gw.

He is just a mouthy kid, no one will ever convince him of anything.

**txradioguy** · 01-31-2013, 03:31 AM

Originally Posted by Generation Why?

They have no trouble passing their APFTs and usually score in the 250s on the men's scale. Granted it is a small sample size.

But could any of them pick you up in fireman's carry when you're in full kit and get you out of the kill zone if you were woulded in a fire fight? Or even drag you by the strap on the back of your IOTV?

**Bailey** · 01-31-2013, 07:44 AM

Originally Posted by txradioguy

But could any of them pick you up in fireman's carry when you're in full kit and get you out of the kill zone if you were woulded in a fire fight? Or even drag you by the strap on the back of your IOTV?

i doubt it