#1 Dangers of plastic grocery bag bans..02-07-2013, 04:25 AMKlick and Wright estimate that the San Francisco ban results in a 46 percent increase in deaths from foodborne illnesses, or 5.5 more of them each year. They then run through a cost-benefit analysis employing the same estimate of the value of a human life that the Environmental Protection Agency uses when evaluating regulations that are supposed to save lives. They conclude that the anti-plastic-bag policies can’t pass the test -- and that’s before counting the higher health-care costs they generate.
The authors argue, not completely convincingly, against the idea that regular washing and drying of reusable bags would solve the problem. They point out that the use of hot water and detergent imposes environmental costs, too. And reusable bags require more energy to make than plastic ones. The stronger argument, it seems to me, is that 97 percent figure: Whatever the merits of regularly cleaning the bags, it doesn’t appear likely to happen.
The best course for government, then, is probably to encourage people to recycle their plastic bags -- or, maybe, just let people make their own decisions. Plastic-bag bans are another on a distressingly long list of political issues where I cannot see eye to eye with Eva Longoria
Most alarmingly, the industry has highlighted news reports linking reusable shopping bags to the spread of disease. Like this one, from the Los Angeles Times last May: “A reusable grocery bag left in a hotel bathroom caused an outbreak of norovirus-induced diarrhea and nausea that struck nine of 13 members of a girls’ soccer team in October, Oregon researchers reported Wednesday.” The norovirus may not have political clout, but evidently it, too, is rooting against plastic bags.
It's funny that I found this article today. I was trying to work two different departments today and a woman was worried that she forgot her "green bag" and wanted to purchase another one.
Most of these reusable bags are gross. They either reek like cig smoke, are very dirty, or you can actually see meat blood stains on them. One customer today had one with a huge tear in the side and I think it was white at one time, but it was now grey. I don't even like touching the bags, they are gross! I understand a few customers like them as it makes things easier to carry into the house, and they hold more items.
Other customers keep theirs looking like new or are shopping for more then one person, so it works out well to keep things separated. We also have a lot of snow bird that walk to my work location, and the canvas bags they can carry on their shoulder if they are out and about walking and shopping. The clean bags are the exception, not the rule.
Like the article mentions, it takes more energy to use hot water and laundry soap to keep the bags clean after a trip the grocery store, then it takes to make the bags!
Of course, this started in California. I can see California from my house.
99% of the time after I touch one of those reusable bags, I am grabbing the hand sanitizer, sometimes they even smell like pet urine and they are using them for food, drinks and prescriptions!
#2 Dangers of plastic grocery bag bans..02-07-2013, 06:30 AM
What's even funnier is that, to those who were around to remember, it was the liberals who insisted on plastic grocery bags over paper ones to "save the trees". Freakin' morons."The efforts of the government alone will never be enough. In the end the people must choose and the people must help themselves" ~ JFK; from his famous inauguration speech (What Democrats sounded like before today's neo-Liberals hijacked that party)
02-07-2013, 10:44 AM
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We send my sister care packages every now and then, and use walmart plastic bags for packing material. That way, when she goes to the health food coop in Alameda, she can put her groceries in Walmart plastic bags. We think it's funny. I'm taking a lifetime supply with us when we move there.
02-07-2013, 12:07 PM
Another LibTard idea gone bad!!!
We actually have a couple of those bags from Whole Foods. I think the only
reason SLW uses them is the $.10 off per bag the store gives her but we
may need to rethink that...May the FORCE be with you!
02-07-2013, 12:34 PM
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02-07-2013, 02:07 PM
I like plastic bags. They are so useful, and reusable. I use them to line my wastepaper baskets and to carry my wet swimsuit home from the pool. I also use them to collect pop cans at work to donate to the children's Christmas fund.
02-07-2013, 02:27 PM
The couple Whole Foods bags are kept clean. I generally don't buy meats or veggies at Whole Foods, too expensive, but get small miscellaneous things there that aren't perishable. It makes sense to use them.
My older WF bag is kept in the car for when we go walking on the beach. I dump sea shells in there and don't mind having the sand get in those bags, better than into the car.
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02-12-2013, 04:27 AM
The large reusable bags are great for dry goods. They look like they would be easier to carry and they hold more.
But as soon as San Fran started the plastic bag ban, more people ended up getting sick. More unpaid emergency room bills.
They find that emergency-room admissions related to E. coli infections increased in San Francisco after the ban. (Nearby counties did not show this increase.) And this effect showed up as soon as the ban was implementedThe government of Washington, D.C., imposes a 5 cent plastic-bag tax. (Advocates prefer to call it a “fee” because taxes are unpopular.) Environmental groups and celebrity activists, including Eva Longoria and Julia Louis- Dreyfus, support these laws.Warning of disease may seem like an over-the-top scare tactic, but research suggests there’s more than anecdote behind this industry talking point. In a 2011 study, four researchers examined reusable bags in California and Arizona and found that 51 percent of them contained coliform bacteria. The problem appears to be the habits of the reusers. Seventy-five percent said they keep meat and vegetables in the same bag. When bags were stored in hot car trunks for two hours, the bacteria grew tenfold
The best course for government, then, is probably to encourage people to recycle their plastic bags -- or, maybe, just let people make their own decisions. Plastic-bag bans are another on a distressingly long list of political issues where I cannot see eye to eye with Eva Longoria.
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