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  1. #1 Jon Huntsman: Republicans Should Push States to Legalize Gay Marriage 
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    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Governm...e-Gay-Marriage

    On Thursday, No Labels co-leader Jon Huntsman urged Republicans to lead the fight to legalize gay marriage in states that do not recognize it.

    Writing in The American Conservative, the former Ambassador to China for President Barack Obama, Utah governor, and failed 2012 presidential candidate argued that marriage equality is a conservative cause and noted he supported civil unions while he was governor of Utah even though 70% of Utahns opposed it. He believes it is time for the GOP to do more.

    “Conservatives should start to lead again and push their states to join the nine others that allow all their citizens to marry,” Huntsman wrote. “The party of Lincoln should stand with our best tradition of equality and support full civil marriage for all Americans.”

    Huntsman wrote that "civil marriage" would not "mean that any religious group would be forced by the state to recognize relationships that run counter to their conscience" and is "compatible with, and indeed promotes, freedom of conscience."

    “Immigration reform” advocates often make the argument that immigration is the so-called gateway issue for Hispanics, that Hispanics who may be inclined to vote for Republicans will not do so if Republicans are perceived as being intolerant. And so they push for more lenient immigration policies.

    ?Huntsman is making a similar argument regarding “civil marriage.” He is saying that

    Hunstman, the leader of the bipartisan No Labels group who has chided, mocked, and disdainfully rebuked conservatives in the past for refusing to accept climate change as a reality, is making a similar argument with gay marriage.

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    I really have to wonder if gays would like this if they had the same system in place for gay marriage as is for heterosexual marriage. If all the same laws were in place there would also be common law marriage.
    Instead of cohabitation for the hell of it their would be financial responsibilities in the case of break up or divorce just like with mentally stable heterosexuals.
    Their butt loose and fancy free life style could get a boot in the ass.
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    Where in the world does Huntsman get the notion that he even approaches anything remotely considered "conservative"? Maybe he's just been 'hanging' with John Boehner & co a bit too long in the sun.
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    Right we should push for gay marriage in hopes of getting them to like s a vote for us.


    Because thinking like that worked out so well in getting a larger majority of Hispanics to vote for us after Reagan signed the amnesty bill in 86.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rockntractor View Post
    I really have to wonder if gays would like this if they had the same system in place for gay marriage as is for heterosexual marriage. If all the same laws were in place there would also be common law marriage.
    Instead of cohabitation for the hell of it their would be financial responsibilities in the case of break up or divorce just like with mentally stable heterosexuals.
    Their butt loose and fancy free life style could get a boot in the ass.
    Not really, even thirty years ago only about six states allowed them to be formed presently, with many more recognizing only those formed before certain earlier dates, and even for those few it was nothing like the easy sort of way that was portrayed in old movies, the partners had to actually hold themselves out as husband and wife to the public and government. I don't know if more than one or two still allow it at all. With the advent of "Palimony" and child support enforcement supported first by HLA testing then DNA testing for paternity, the need to enforce such arrangements as full legal marriages more or less disappeared.

    ETA: Huntsman is a tool, of course his share of the vote in the primaries kind of shows everyone already knew he was one anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rockntractor View Post
    I really have to wonder if gays would like this if they had the same system in place for gay marriage as is for heterosexual marriage. If all the same laws were in place there would also be common law marriage.
    Instead of cohabitation for the hell of it their would be financial responsibilities in the case of break up or divorce just like with mentally stable heterosexuals.
    Their butt loose and fancy free life style could get a boot in the ass.
    The point isn't to extend marriage, it's to eliminate it. The redefinition of marriage stretches it to the point where it becomes meaningless. Every totalitarian state has sought to infiltrate and weaken family bonds so that personal ties cannot counter the state's influence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Odysseus View Post
    The point isn't to extend marriage, it's to eliminate it. The redefinition of marriage stretches it to the point where it becomes meaningless. Every totalitarian state has sought to infiltrate and weaken family bonds so that personal ties cannot counter the state's influence.
    That's pretty much how I see it. Among the under30 crowd marriage is thought to be pretty optional.

    When it comes to rearing children, the marginalization of marriage is a catastrophe. Single parent children simply do not function as well as those from a nuclear family.

    But there is no turning back. On we go, into history.
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