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02-26-2013, 05:13 PM
And the swing vote swung liberal. You can't maintain that the liberal won at the percentages you presented unless the swing vote swung liberal.
You call him weak in retrospect. You thought he was going to win and win huge! But the swing vote swung liberal.
One of the more hypocritical features of the recent election and since was the number of people who get government paychecks, pensions, healthcare, or assistance who were screaming about Obamacare and Socialism.
You are still trying to convince yourself that the Republican actually won the election, or would have if people were simply as smart as you are. Plenty of people who are smarter than you are made difficult decisions of priorities in the last election. And they voted for Obama, not because Romney was weak, but because of what he said he would do.While you were hanging yourself , on someone else's words
Dying to believe in what you heard
I was staring straight into the shining sun
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02-26-2013, 05:35 PM
Maybe that's why the swing vote swung liberal: because they didn't see it as a game. Economies adapt. Anti-social law has a habit of hanging on.
So you're bitching because we don't have a Fairness Doctrine? And how exactly is it that the ruggedly individualistic high productivity genius with money conservatives which are by your reckoning a majority not met by a fawning media intent on catering to their preferred client base? Does not the free market respond to demographics?
In 2004 Bush got 62,040,610 votes. Kerry 59,028,444
In 2008 McCain got 59,948,323 votes. Obama 69,498,516
In 2012 Romney got 60,931,767 votes. Obama 65,907,213
In 2000 Bush got 50,456,002 votes. Gore 50,999,897.
Who are these voters who stayed home? Even if we assume that the difference between Romney and Bush's high were all "conservatives" rather than swing voters, then the most we can move into Romney's total would be 1,108,843 votes leaving him almost 4 million votes shy?
These voters who stayed home are either imaginary or habitual. If they don't vote conservative it's rather difficult to call them conservative voters.While you were hanging yourself , on someone else's words
Dying to believe in what you heard
I was staring straight into the shining sun
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02-26-2013, 06:03 PM
Or, that the average person doesn't necessarily know what liberal and conservative mean. Or, that in the case of the last two presidential elections, the media's constant drumbeat against McCain and Romney proved decisive, especially among low-information voters. In a number of polls, when self-identified Obama voters were presented with conservative policy positions and told that they were supported by Obama, they often favored them, which tells me that the policies weren't the issue, the personalities and media saturation were.
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02-26-2013, 09:59 PM
Negative. Tell yourself this BS all you want but it doesn't make it so. I truly believe that the media saturation fawning over Obama along with pop culture icons and the like, the deck is stacked against conservatives. Ever wonder why the left never talk about the economy come election time? Because they can't defend it. In this past election, the left, with the help of their propaganda machine pushed toe blame on the Republican congress and IMO a majority of the people who vote aren't smart enough to sift through the bullshit to see the forest through the trees. Pile on that the GOP is either not smart enough or it's leadership it complicit in what the left is doing to get out there and really start spreading the facts. Instead, they got into stupid pissing contests about so called women's rights and such which took the focus away from the true argument which was the economy. Fact is, the election was being handed to the Republicans on a silver platter but they decided to ignore it.
Where did I even approach this? I didn't. However, you have habitual news watchers. Believe it or not, not everyone has cable TV so their news comes from either the newspaper or the 3 major networks which all swing left. Top it off the millions and millions who could care less either way but who are Obama supporters because his propaganda machine helped by Hollywood and a bulk of the entertainment industry to make him appear to be cool, this is what swings their vote. Conservatives are portrayed ad stodgy, old white men while liberals and Democrats are portrayed to be hip(Bill Clinton playing the sax anyone?). Yes, there are conservative entertainers but they are few and far between or who don't make waves in fear that they will get blacklisted. As for cable news networks, Fox is still tops in the ratings, however, even their ratings can't trump the major 3 network news stations. CNN is back by Ted Turner money(if you saw how he ran WCW you'd see how he literally burns money) while CBS and NBC are backed by major corporations(NBC by GE and now Comcast and CBS after being owned by Westinghouse, eventually incorporated itself, and ABC is owned by Disney). Fox doesn't have the ability to be provided on free TV airways the way NBC, ABC, CBS have. CNN and MSNBC tank in the ratings regularly but they have big money behind them. I guarantee you that if even one of the major networks leaned right, the information wars would be a lot closer. Facts are facts. You can take them or leave them.
We have a few right here on these boards. They can't be the only ones. However, the voters staying home, if you bothered to read my entire post was just one aspect of why Romney lost. Re-read it again, just don't glean what you want. The main reason is that the voters voted for free stuff. That amounts to 70% of the reason why Obama won. Simply put, you can't run against Santa Claus.The American Left: Where everything is politics and politics is everything.
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02-27-2013, 01:53 AM
The American Left: Where everything is politics and politics is everything.
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