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    BING translated from CNN (Chile):

    William Cochez, Panamanian politician, ensures that the President of Venezuela died four days ago.

    Contact CNN Chile, former Ambassador of Panama to the OAS, William Cochez, said that since last December 30 Chávez was declared brain dead in Cuba, whereupon he returned to Venezuela in that State. For this reason, ensure that it was not visited by the various Presidents and questioned the last picture that was posted of Chavez with his daughters.

    The information that the former diplomat won ensures that they are "internal sources of the Venezuelan Government" and that it is information that circulated weeks ago. "I challenge the Venezuelan Government to deny me, and showing the Chávez and so you will know what I say is truth or lie" called Cochez to Venezuelans to clarify the situation.

    CNN Chile asked the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Venezuela, who claimed that this version is not true and contradicts the medical treatment the President of Venezuela is currently performing. They would not make further comment on the matter.

    Guillermo Cóchez, meanwhile, said that 4 days ago (Feb. 24, 2013) died Chavez since his daughters asked for disconnection from the ventilator which was connected to survive.
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    Guillermo Cochez, político panameño, asegura que el presidente de Venezuela falleció hace cuatro días.

    En contacto con CNN Chile, el ex embajador de Panamá ante la OEA, Guillermo Cochez, afirmó que desde el 30 de diciembre pasado el presidente Chávez fue declarado con muerte cerebral en Cuba, con lo cual regresó a Venezuela en ese estado. Por esta razón, asegura que no fue visitado por los distintos mandatarios y cuestionó la última fotografía que fue publicada de Chávez con sus hijas.

    La información que obtuvo el ex diplomático asegura que son "fuentes internas del gobierno venezolano" y que es una información que ha circulado hace semanas. "Reto al gobierno venezolano a desmentirme, y que muestren al presidente Chávez y así se sabrá lo que yo digo es verdad o mentira" emplazó Cochez a los venezolanos para aclarar la situación.

    CNN Chile consultó al Ministerio de Relaciones Exteriores de Venezuela, quienes afirmaron que esta versión no es verídica y se contradice al tratamiento médico que está realizando actualmente el Presidente de Venezuela. No quisieron realizar más comentarios al respecto.

    Guillermo Cóchez, en tanto, afirmó que hace 4 días falleció Chávez ya que sus hijas pidieron la desconexión del respirador artificial al cual estaba conectado para sobrevivir.
    Considering the CNN and Venezuela reputations, who knows.....

    If it's true, he died on the table in Cuba. So much for socialized single payer medicine....

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    I'm reasonably certain that even with the state-controlled media in Cuba and Venezuela, if Chavez had croaked two months ago, we would have heard about it by now.
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    Sean Penn is going to be really upset.

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    How is obama working out for you?
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    Someone needs to drive an oak stake in where his heart should be and then shoot him with a silver bullet to be on the safe side.

    Oh and condolences to the family for losing the filthy bastard.
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    If he is dead, what happens next in Venezuala? Will there be new elections, or will the military just take over?


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    Can't find anything official yet just that he's "battling". As for this:

    December 30 Chávez was declared brain dead in Cuba,
    He's been brain dead for years so this is moot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LukeEDay View Post
    Sean Penn is going to be really upset.
    And Danny Glover, Oliver Stone and a whole bunch of other Hollywood celebutards.
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    If he is dead, what happens next in Venezuala? Will there be new elections, or will the military just take over?


    Maybe a new leader will break from OPEC and be more friendly to the US.
    The reason for the secrecy surrounding his death is that his reelection would have been thrown into the courts if he died before being sworn in and precipitated a constitutional crisis. The Venezuelans claim that he was sworn in while in Cuba (before he died, or so they claim), so his vice president/demi-dictator has a clear line of succession. However, given that he may have in fact died before the swearing in (in which case the ceremony would have made a great Weekend at Hugo's movie, with one of his aides holding Chavez's hand on whatever it is that communists take oaths on, while another aide grabbed his hair and nodded his head for him), the entire process could be appealed by the opposition. As it is, the vice president, Nicolas Maduro, will take charge. This is going to be interesting, because he's the kind of bland apparatchik that gets into power after the tough guys who ran the revolution have died off. Think Brezhnev after Lenin, Stalin and even Kruschev. A blogger from Venezuela has this to say about him:

    Nicolas Maduro becomes the new Venezuelan Foreign Minister
    http://daniel-venezuela.blogspot.com...enezuelan.html

    This is quite a piece of news, of the astounding sort. For me, the shock is the incredible realization that Nicolas Maduro, a general failure in life has managed to reach two of the highest offices in the country strictly on his servility merits to El Supremo, a.k.a. Hugo Chavez. But also, as a strange relief of sorts, we are left to admire how a totalitarian regime sets itself in place.

    Nicolas Maduro
    There is really nothing positive to write about him. He is a failed union leader, from the Caracas subway system if memory serves me well. He never did anything smart in his life, and since the press got him as a source of news in 1998, there is nothing I can point that he did that showed creativity, originality or even hard work. He gained weight and got known for his escapades to visit his guru in India, first class ticket of course, at tax payer expense one may presume since he never bothered showing the receipts and even for an assemblyman paycheck, first class tickets to India is quite a bundle.

    However he is a semi gifted opportunist and in a political movement full of nullities carried by Chavez own charisma (plus the general management of Cuban advisers) that was a big advantage. He understood very, very early that the way to go was to accept anything that Chavez will do or order. He was handicapped at first because he comes from labor, from the civilian sector that Chavez wanted to destroy the most at the start of his rule. It took Chavez quite a while to trust Maduro. To gain the trust Maduro did several things. One was to live maritally with Cilia Flores, a talibanic pasionara of limited intellect but vociferating abilities and overly dyed red hair. She also was one of the few lawyers that volunteered to help Chavez in 1992. Reports of their trips to the US for shopping sprees, kids on tag, have been numerous.

    The second thing Maduro did was to choose wisely his revolutionary career. I suppose that we can give him credit for his self knowledge on his limited managerial skills. That would explain his choice of a parliamentary career, never trying to go elsewhere. Not for him to exert in running for governor, mayor or indicating a wish to work in the executive branch. Maduro knew that for someone lazy, with little interest in day to day management, a seat at the newly formed national assembly was the way to go, in particular with a regime that primed the executive more and more. A sinecure so to speak.

    The third thing Maduro did was to organize the “civilian” group within chavismo. In this meaning, “civilian group” meant organizing non military folks that were willing to be as devoted to Chavez, no questions asked, as the military that Chavez so obviously favored. Which admittedly was not much hard work either as all were only too willing to imitate Maduro. Leadership by example if you please. He kept gaining weight.

    But Maduro always failed to shine, failed to reach higher positions. This started to change some when he sat patiently at the negotiating table in 2003 to nail the conditions for a recall election. We know what happened, but at least Chavez grateful that his delegates took the heat for him started rewarding them. Maduro abilities for stone walling (due to his poor intellect contrary to what people might believe) were certainly handy for an increasingly authoritarian regime who did not want to discuss any parcel of power.

    Maduro started moving up and for the last year of the assembly he became the speaker of the house. By then of course the national assembly had become a redoubt of chavismo where the main objective was to stall the remaining opposition, something that Maduro had shown interest for and some ability in doing. In all fairness under the baton of Maduro things did function better in the assembly in that the opposition was less able to start discussion on law projects as a parliament is supposed to do. Chavez appreciated the lowered noise from the National Assembly and the passing of several controversial laws that one had to pinch one's nose to vote for. Maduro surely noted who did pinch his or her own nose and those ones did not get the nod to seek a reelection.

    Of course after the assembly became monochromatic in 2005 Maduro was confirmed as speaker and speedily made the National Assembly into the Notary Public of the executive, a place where law projects are sent to be speedily voted, no questions asked. Maduro was now a star of the regime, always starved for people who do as told, without any discussion.
    There's more at the site, but you get the idea. Maduro is a colorless hack who has positioned himself to take over from a colorful lunatic. He will last only as long as someone in the military doesn't decide that he can be taken down with less difficulty than France gave the Germans in 1940. The moment that some ambitious colonel sees the opportunity, he will be out of power and hanging from a lamppost faster than you can say "banana republic."
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