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    Colorado Dem to Rape Survivor: A Gun Wouldn’t Have Helped You Against Rapist Because ‘Statistics Are Not on Your Side’
    Mar. 5, 2013 4:29am Jason Howerton



    Rape survivor Amanda Collins bravely spoke about her horrific attack during a Monday legislative hearing concerning Colorado’s proposed ban on concealed firearms on college campuses. She explained how she wished she would’ve had a firearm to defend herself from her rapist, which could have possibly prevented the attack from occurring.

    After calling her story “unsettling,” Democratic state Sen. Evie Hudak quickly went after Collins, saying “actually, statistics are not on your side, even if you had a gun.”

    “You said that you were a martial arts student, I mean person, experienced in Tae Kwon Do, and yet because this individual was so large, was able to overcome you even with your skills, and chances are that if you had had a gun, then he would have been able to get that from you and possibly use it against you,” she added.
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    A gun wouldn't help but pissing yourself would have. To quote Charlie Brown, "Good grief!"
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    I think, in Sen. Hudak, that we've found the author of the theory of gun control:

    Gun Control: The theory that a woman found dead in an alley, raped and strangled with her own pantyhose, is somehow morally superior to a woman explaining to police how her attacker got that fatal bullet wound.
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    I'm not sure if a gun would have helped her or not. It all depends on whether she saw him coming or not. If he saw the gun, he might have decided on a different victim. She's alive today, so she did something right.


    That still doesn't mean the congressman can definitively say that it wouldn't have helped her.
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    Quote Originally Posted by noonwitch View Post
    I'm not sure if a gun would have helped her or not. It all depends on whether she saw him coming or not. If he saw the gun, he might have decided on a different victim. She's alive today, so she did something right.


    That still doesn't mean the congressman can definitively say that it wouldn't have helped her.
    And neither can you. What we know is a) she didn't have a gun and b) she was brutally raped.

    I think that the applicable rule is: better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it. Furthermore, I think that she, and anybody else that wants to, should carry whether it's against the rules or not. The applicable rule for that would be: better to tried by 12 than carried by 6.

    FWIW, I'm sure that all the rapist that have been fatally shot by their would be victims agree wholeheartily with you and the bimbo senator.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Unreconstructed Reb View Post
    And neither can you. What we know is a) she didn't have a gun and b) she was brutally raped.

    I think that the applicable rule is: better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it. Furthermore, I think that she, and anybody else that wants to, should carry whether it's against the rules or not. The applicable rule for that would be: better to tried by 12 than carried by 6.

    FWIW, I'm sure that all the rapist that have been fatally shot by their would be victims agree wholeheartily with you and the bimbo senator.


    I didn't make any definitive statement on whether it would have helped her or not. I was just saying that the rep was wrong to be so definitive.

    She wasn't carried out by 6, she survived to testify. Rape is horrible, but rape and murder is worse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by noonwitch View Post
    I didn't make any definitive statement on whether it would have helped her or not. I was just saying that the rep was wrong to be so definitive.
    No, you didn't make a definitive statement and, the fact is, having a gun definitely would have helped, but I guess the liberal gun grabber in you can't admit that.


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    She wasn't carried out by 6, she survived to testify..
    And scum bag lived to pull a short jail sentence and be released to rape, and possibly murder, again.

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    Rape is horrible, but rape and murder is worse.
    Praise the Lord that she was only raped! Thank God she didn't have a gun or that could have been prevented!
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    Quote Originally Posted by noonwitch View Post
    I didn't make any definitive statement on whether it would have helped her or not. I was just saying that the rep was wrong to be so definitive.

    She wasn't carried out by 6, she survived to testify. Rape is horrible, but rape and murder is worse.
    I'm sure it was wonderful for her.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Unreconstructed Reb View Post
    No, you didn't make a definitive statement and, the fact is, having a gun definitely would have helped, but I guess the liberal gun grabber in you can't admit that.




    And scum bag lived to pull a short jail sentence and be released to rape, and possibly murder, again.



    Praise the Lord that she was only raped! Thank God she didn't have a gun or that could have been prevented!


    Again, I am not a gun grabber. I am just not a gun owner myself, and I don't really know that much about them. I do know this basic thing about self-defense-if you don't see the threat coming, you might not get a chance to use your weapon, whether it's a gun on a holster, pepper spray, baseball bat or a dagger clipped onto the inside of your boot.

    And, yes, it is better to be a rape survivor than a rape/murder victim. Always.
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    Quote Originally Posted by noonwitch View Post
    Again, I am not a gun grabber. I am just not a gun owner myself, and I don't really know that much about them. I do know this basic thing about self-defense-if you don't see the threat coming, you might not get a chance to use your weapon, whether it's a gun on a holster, pepper spray, baseball bat or a dagger clipped onto the inside of your boot.

    And, yes, it is better to be a rape survivor than a rape/murder victim. Always.
    I'm always amazed by the so called 'reasoning' of the libtard. The implication above being, "well, golly gee, since you can't always see the treat coming then it's really just a big fat waste of time to be armed". That so called'reasoning' is patently absurd and another example of the liberal tactic of using the straw man argument when they can't logically counter during a debate.

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    I have personal experience with not seeing the threat coming but because I was armed with a gun I was able to neutralize the perp before he neutralized me. Your so called 'reasoning' is naive and doesnt' pass the smell test. If you personally don't want to arm yourself then, fine, risk being a victim but don't question or try to deny others their natural right to bear arms and defend themselves.

    And, yes, it is better to be armed than to become a rape/murder victim, or any other kind of victim. Always.
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