Thread: Mr. Dorkio self-pwns
#1 Mr. Dorkio self-pwns
03-07-2013, 12:09 PM
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MrScorpio (54,137 posts)
There weren't any Kamikazes at Pearl Harbor
Ted Cruz thinks that there were Kamikazes at Pearl Harbor.
This man is a fucking moron.
WCGreen (44,557 posts)
1. I'm sure he believes that Godzilla attacked Tokyo in the 50'sstevenleser (12,256 posts)
4. OMG, thanks for letting us know about that gem.
I may use that one on my show next week in my hall of shame section.pinboy3niner (25,967 posts)
9. I thought Ted Cruz WAS a Kamikaze
He seems destined to go down in flames, all of his own doing. Isn't that a Kamikaze?Javaman (39,842 posts)
11. you mean ted cruz said something completely fucking stupid and monumentally
factually incorrect???? again.
that's my moronic senator you are talking about.
I pray that he's a one term wonder.dballance (2,769 posts)
5. I Know You Are Correct, Because I Love Studying History. For Your Own Sake Though...
Last edited Thu Mar 7, 2013, 12:44 AM USA/ET - Edit history (1)
You should add a link to some historical reference to back you up. Otherwise you'll end up getting all the people who don't know that Kamikazes were only part of the last-ditch efforts of the Japanese. They pretty much knew they'd lost and were just trying to exact as much damage as possible to forestall the looming invasion that the Allies were going to do before Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
ON EDIT: Otherwise you might get some people making nasty comments about you sympathizing with the attack.
JHB (17,400 posts)
15. Here's Wikipedia because it's easy (and currently on topic)...
...but keep an eye out for members of the 101st Chairborne Division editing it to conform to Cruz, the way they did with Paul Revere and other Palin flubs.
Kamikaze aircraft were essentially pilot-guided explosive missiles, purpose-built or converted from conventional aircraft. Pilots would attempt to crash their aircraft into enemy ships in what was called a "Body Attack" (体当たり; 体当り, taiatari) in planes laden with some combination of explosives, bombs, torpedoes and full fuel tanks; accuracy was much better than a conventional attack, and the payload larger. A kamikaze could sustain damage which would disable a conventional attacker and still achieve its objective. The goal of crippling or destroying large numbers of Allied ships, particularly aircraft carriers, was considered to justify sacrificing pilots and aircraft.
These attacks, which began in October 1944, followed several critical military defeats for the Japanese. They had long lost aerial dominance due to outdated aircraft and the loss of experienced pilots. On a macroeconomic scale, Japan experienced a decreasing capacity to wage war, and a rapidly declining industrial capacity relative to the United States. The Japanese government expressed its reluctance to surrender. In combination, these factors led to the use of kamikaze tactics as Allied forces advanced towards the Japanese home islands.
Travelman (409 posts)
From your link:
Before the formation of kamikaze units, deliberate crashes had been used as a last resort when a pilot's plane was severely damaged and he did not want to risk being captured or he wanted to do as much damage to the enemy as possible since he was crashing anyway; this was the case in both the Japanese and Allied air forces. According to Axell and Kase, these suicides "were individual, impromptu decisions by men who were mentally prepared to die." In most cases, there is little evidence that these hits were more than accidental collisions, of the kind that sometimes happen in intense sea-air battles. One example of this occurred on 7 December 1941 during the attack on Pearl Harbor. First Lieutenant Fusata Iida’s plane had been hit and was leaking fuel, when he apparently used it to make a suicide attack on Kaneohe Naval Air Station. Before taking off, he had told his men that if his plane was badly damaged he would crash it into a "worthy enemy target."
While they weren't officially called kamikaze at the time, there actually were kamikaze attacks at Pearl Harbor. This Wiki citation is one, there were a couple of others (though IIRC they actually happened at Hickham Field, so technically they weren't at Pearl Harbor).
Anyone who has an interest in the history of what happened at Pearl Harbor, particularly in the mindsets of the Japanese commanders who put the plan in motion, should read Gordon Prange's At Dawn We Slept. It's incredibly exhaustive and thoroughly covers pretty much every imaginable aspect of the events of December 7, 1941.Olde-style, states' rights conservative. Ask if this concept confuses you.
#2 That is rather humorus...03-07-2013, 12:26 PM
It almost looks as if a couple of posters took some pleasure in pointing out his error. (snicker)"Asakatsu Magatsu"
True victory is victory over oneself.
~ Morihei Ueshiba O-Sensei ~
03-07-2013, 07:42 PM
Anyone who had read Saburo Sakai's excellent memoir, or other writings from the Japanese point of view, would know Dorkio was stomping all over his little dorkio with that inanely-crowing post. From the very start of the war, even before Pearl in China, Japanese pilots widely viewed a final, fatal attack as preferable and much more honorable than captivity or becoming fish food when an aircraft suffered damage that prevented returning to a base, carrier, or at least Japanese-held territory. These final acts of valor were in fact the inspiration for the formal constitution of the Special Attack Units in 1944.
Bitchslap for Dorkio. Read some history, dickface.
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