A new Pope...

**Lanie** · 03-14-2013, 12:45 AM

Originally Posted by LukeEDay

1) Where is it said that he is a social conservative?

2) I am glad he is a Jesuit. They need more of them in the church. And too see that upset liberals, makes it even sweeter ....

3) There is a lot going to come out in the next couple of weeks, months.

What makes him a social conservative is.....

1) Anti-gay marriage and adoption. Personally, I think that allowing a kid to be raised by the state instead of allowing adoption is discrimination against children.

2) Anti-abortion and even anti-contraception.

3) I'm going to assume he believes that divorce isn't possible in the eyes of God.

I'm not surprised by any of this stuff, but to call him a liberal is beyond silly. My mouth dropped when I read your post earlier.

Why would liberals have a problem with Jesuits? They're about helping the poor and even leading by example (being poor themselves).

**NJCardFan** · 03-14-2013, 12:56 AM

Originally Posted by Lanie

I was pretty sure he'd be a social conservative, had no other ideas about what "order" he'd be from.

Have you not heard that there's a problem recruiting men to this vocation? I believe that if the church allowed priests to get married then more men would be willing to come to the vocation. How is the church supposed to grow if there aren't a lot of people wanting to become priests?

There was *never* a rule before Christ that said that priests had to remain single. Why is there one now? I believe this rule is man made.

No, genius. You said that you knew the pope would be Catholic so either you're joking or you're too stupid to know that the pope is the head of the Catholic church hence the pope is going to be Catholic. As for priests being able to marry, I take it you're not Catholic. There is a commitment in becoming a priest. Only in liberal land do the goalposts need to be reset in order to fit their worldview. And, finally, since you decided to be even more stupid with your last line, considering that there was no such thing as the Catholic Church before or during Christ's life, your statement is moot.

**NJCardFan** · 03-14-2013, 01:00 AM

I love that you put the term "order" in quotes meaning you don't have a clue about organized religions. There are countless orders in all religions. The Muslims have Shiites and Sunni's. Jews have Orthodox, Conservative, and Reform. Christianity has Catholics, Baptists, Lutheran, Methodist, among others. Even Catholics have different orders; Jesuit and Franciscan. So next time, if you don't have a clue, just shut up.

**NJCardFan** · 03-14-2013, 01:03 AM

Originally Posted by LukeEDay

2) I am glad he is a Jesuit. They need more of them in the church. And too see that upset liberals, makes it even sweeter ....

Funny that he's a Jesuit and takes the name of a Franciscan...not any Franciscan, THE Franciscan.

**FlaGator** · 03-14-2013, 09:17 AM

Originally Posted by Lanie

I was pretty sure he'd be a social conservative, had no other ideas about what "order" he'd be from.

Have you not heard that there's a problem recruiting men to this vocation? I believe that if the church allowed priests to get married then more men would be willing to come to the vocation. How is the church supposed to grow if there aren't a lot of people wanting to become priests?

There was *never* a rule before Christ that said that priests had to remain single. Why is there one now? I believe this rule is man made.

The rule is man made and the Catholic Church has never tried to make anyone believe that it wasn't. It is a condition of being a Priest that they must accept in order to be ordained. They know this going in into priesthood so why make a big issue out of it.

There are several pieces of scripture that support a chaste life if one feels called to live it.

The disciples *said to Him, “If the relationship of the man with his wife is like this, it is better not to marry.” But He said to them, “Not all men can accept this statement, but only those to whom it has been given. For there are eunuchs who were born that way from their mother’s womb; and there are eunuchs who were made eunuchs by men; and there are also eunuchs who made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. He who is able to accept this, let him accept it.”

Matthew 19:10-12

Now to the unmarried and the widows I say: It is good for them to stay unmarried, as I do. But if they cannot control themselves, they should marry, for it is better to marry than to burn with passion.

1 Corinthians 7:8

It seems that Christ thought that celibacy was a greater spiritual state and that Paul reflected that belief. If you read the context of both pieces of scripture you will find that celibacy is not a condition of Christian faith for all but a choice that can be made if the individual feels so inclined.

When Priests accept their ordination they are apparently in agreement with the belief otherwise they would be discouraged from being ordained. The fact that they changed their mind after ordination does not imply that the requirement is bad, it just shows that the Priest didn't think the whole thing through before taking his vows.

**linda22003** · 03-14-2013, 09:23 AM

If this is such a hard and fast rule, why are they allowing married Anglican priests to serve?

**FlaGator** · 03-14-2013, 09:30 AM

Originally Posted by linda22003

If this is such a hard and fast rule, why are they allowing married Anglican priests to serve?

That is a hard and fast rule for The Roman Catholic ordination process, not for the Anglican Priests that they accept into the Catholic Church who are fleeing the heresy in some pockets of the Anglican Church, most specifically the Episcopalian heretics. The Catholic Church knows that it does not have the authority under God to desolve and existing marriage for the sake of recognizing the previous ordination of a Anglican Priest. In order to shelter the Priests and their flocks and abide by God's command they must either accept the Priests as is or not offer them sanctuary. The Roman Catholic Church chose the higher ethical ground.

**Articulate_Ape** · 03-14-2013, 09:45 AM

Originally Posted by NJCardFan

I love that you put the term "order" in quotes meaning you don't have a clue about organized religions. There are countless orders in all religions. The Muslims have Shiites and Sunni's. Jews have Orthodox, Conservative, and Reform. Christianity has Catholics, Baptists, Lutheran, Methodist, among others. Even Catholics have different orders; Jesuit and Franciscan. So next time, if you don't have a clue, just shut up.

I don't think that Lanie sharing an opinion warranted such a visceral reply, NJ. People here still have the right to be mistaken.

**linda22003** · 03-14-2013, 10:29 AM

Ah, the hairy voice of reason. It IS good to have the Ape back.

**txradioguy** · 03-14-2013, 12:25 PM

Originally Posted by Articulate_Ape

I don't think that Lanie sharing an opinion warranted such a visceral reply, NJ. People here still have the right to be mistaken.

Lanie isn't being mistaken...she's just being her usual anti-religion hateful self.

After this many years it's no accident she's this clueless about faith.