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    Hold on a sec...are you actually saying that from an historical perspective you don't believe that a man named Jesus Christ walked the earth 2,000 or so years ago?
    I'm not going to lie. It's hard to pin point. The main records we have are the Bible. To make matters worse, Jesus is supposedly similar to others in history.

    Not that I don't believe. I'm talking about from a historical perspective.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lanie View Post
    I'm not going to lie. It's hard to pin point. The main records we have are the Bible. To make matters worse, Jesus is supposedly similar to others in history.

    Not that I don't believe. I'm talking about from a historical perspective.
    For crying out loud Lanie.

    Among the variants of the Jesus myth theory, the hypothesis that a historical Jesus figure never existed is supported only by a very small minority of modern scholars. Bart Ehrman has stated that now virtually all scholars of antiquity agree that Jesus existed, and Robert M. Price agrees that this denial perspective runs against the views of the majority of scholars. Myth theorist G. A. Wells has also softened his stance on the non-existence issue. Van Voorst and separately Michael Grant state that biblical scholars and classical historians now regard theories of non-existence of Jesus as effectively refuted.
    Christ myth theory

    The extant manuscripts of the writings of the 1st century Romano-Jewish historian Flavius Josephus include references to Jesus and the origins of Christianity. Josephus' Antiquities of the Jews, written around 93–94 AD, includes two references to Jesus in Books 18 and 20 and a reference to John the Baptist in Book 18.

    Modern scholarship has almost universally acknowledged the authenticity of the reference in Book 20, Chapter 9, 1 of the Antiquities to "the brother of Jesus, who was called Christ, whose name was James" and considers it as having the highest level of authenticity among the references of Josephus to Christianity. Almost all modern scholars consider the reference in Book 18, Chapter 5, 2 of the Antiquities to the imprisonment and death of John the Baptist to also be authentic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NJCardFan View Post
    I have over 12,000 posts. You have until the end of the day to find one where I complained at any time since 2008(when I joined this board) where I even made mention of what my co-payment is and that I consider it unfair in any way. Or Ody for that matter. You must then quote that to where we all can click on the direct link to see said quote. If you can't, you should be banned or at least you should be made to admit you're nothing but a feckless troll. I'll be home sometime after 10PM and I await your response. If not, I'm calling you out in the Dome.

    On the same subject, to the mods, why do we allow this person to make such false accusations without being banned?
    Did you or did you not complain because your employee portion of your health care benefit premium was going to increase? And did I not at the time explain to you that the amount wasn't unusual for a person working for a major New York Bank at a much lower wage than you are paid?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JB View Post
    the hypothesis that a historical Jesus figure never existed is supported only by a very small minority of modern scholars
    It would serve the discussion better if one were to be extremely precise and consistent. Was there a priest who may or may not have been named Jesus who really did live in the reign of Herod and who was indeed executed? Quite possible. Perhaps even likely. Does that mean that the Bible account of the life of Jesus is true, no it doesn't. It's just like those people who think that finding Biblical landmarks proves a story true. It simply does not. The existence of Sodom and Gomorah no more proves the Bible story ( which most scholars consider to be a story created to explain the ruins of a city and which is common to many cultures) than the existence of Mt Olympus proves that Zeus (who bears a striking resemblance to the Christian vision of God)
    rule magically from the temple top.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Novaheart View Post
    Chic fil a donated support to anti-gay groups. Not at all the same thing as google choosing a birthday to celebrate.
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    Now that business probably would fail if it were bigoted, but that's the way she goes in a "free" society.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Novaheart View Post
    Did you or did you not complain because your employee portion of your health care benefit premium was going to increase? And did I not at the time explain to you that the amount wasn't unusual for a person working for a major New York Bank at a much lower wage than you are paid?
    My complaint was was that it wasn't a condition of my employment when I was hired and how it wasn't equitable. The Christie/Sweeney plan based your contribution on your salary meaning that me at a step 5 officer(should be step 6 but that's another discussion for another time) pay a higher rate than a raw recruit even though we might have the same plan. Same with comparing me to a sergeant, lieutenant, major, administrator, etc. Also, I've worked in the private sector. Worked for American Airlines for almost 5 years and my healthcare contribution % was nowhere near what I'm paying or going to be paying over the next fiscal year. By next July, I will be paying $500 a month for my healthcare. Also, unlike the person working at a bank isn't exposed to the litany of diseases nor are they in danger of getting the crap beat out of them or stabbed on a daily basis. I work with people who contracted MRSA, scabies, TB and other maladies due to the scum we're around 8 hours a day to which we're not allowed to know if they have any diseases due to HIPAA. That was the condition when I was hired. The rules were changed after I got the job. Be that as it may, I'm still fine with paying. I just want a more equitable means to do so. Hell, our healthcare contributions are socialism at it's best.

    I'm also wondering if this NY banker takes home half of his paycheck thanks to all the deductions that I get taken out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Novaheart View Post
    It would serve the discussion better if one were to be extremely precise and consistent.
    Attention CU: Please hold Novaheart to this standard.

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    Does that mean that the Bible account of the life of Jesus is true, no it doesn't.
    Yes, it does. I'm not suggesting you accept His Divinity. Whether you believe the miracles or the Resurrection is up to you...as it to anyone. I was just curious if you believed in the historical fact that the man as described in the Gospels did exist. He did. That you deny it makes you a member of a very small and dismissed group.

    Here's some more:

    The Roman historian and senator Tacitus referred to Christ, his execution by Pontius Pilate and the existence of early Christians in Rome in his final work, Annals (written ca. AD 116), book 15, chapter 44.

    The context of the passage is the six-day Great Fire of Rome that burned much of the city in AD 64 during the reign of Roman Emperor Nero. The passage is one of the earliest non-Christian references to the origins of Christianity, the execution of Christ described in the Canonical gospels, and the presence and persecution of Christians in 1st-century Rome.

    Scholars generally consider Tacitus's reference to the execution of Jesus by Pontius Pilate to be both authentic, and of historical value as an independent Roman source. Eddy and Boyd state that it is now "firmly established" that Tacitus provides a non-Christian confirmation of the crucifixion of Jesus.

    In terms of an overall context, historian Ronald Mellor has stated that the Annals is "Tacitus's crowning achievement" which represents the "pinnacle of Roman historical writing". The passage is also of historical value in establishing three separate facts about Rome around AD 60: (i) that there were a sizable number of Christians in Rome at the time, (ii) that it was possible to distinguish between Christians and Jews in Rome, and (iii) that at the time pagans made a connection between Christianity in Rome and its origin in Judea.
    I'm going to repeat this line for you since you were so hung up on contemporary earlier: "Scholars generally consider Tacitus's reference to the execution of Jesus by Pontius Pilate to be both authentic, and of historical value as an independent Roman source."

    And Lanie, are you convinced or do you need more info?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JB View Post
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    And Lanie, are you convinced or do you need more info?
    You could provide photographic evidence (yeah I know) and neither one of them would admit that it was credible proof of his existence.
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    Attention CU: Please hold Novaheart to this standard.

    Yes, it does. I'm not suggesting you accept His Divinity. Whether you believe the miracles or the Resurrection is up to you...as it to anyone. I was just curious if you believed in the historical fact that the man as described in the Gospels did exist. He did. That you deny it makes you a member of a very small and dismissed group.

    Here's some more:

    I'm going to repeat this line for you since you were so hung up on contemporary earlier: "Scholars generally consider Tacitus's reference to the execution of Jesus by Pontius Pilate to be both authentic, and of historical value as an independent Roman source."

    And Lanie, are you convinced or do you need more info?
    Okay, I'm convinced having a real historian's name.

    Just for the record, my comments didn't believe I didn't believe in Jesus. I was just looking at this from a historial point of view. It wasn't meant to be disrepectful.
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