04-11-2013, 12:21 PM
Octomom was an outrage. She should have been kicked off of public assistance. If her treatments were paid for by the taxpayer, then the approving authority should have been fired.
The problem that you don't understand is that when the state becomes the arbiter of who gets what, allocation of resources becomes embroiled in legal equality, rather than supply and demand. In a private medical system, the state doesn't force insurers to cover gay couples that want to have children, and it doesn't ban them from doing so. The insurers determine the costs and the benefits, build the actuarial tables and charge premiums that will cover the potential costs. The sexual behavior of the insured doesn't matter, unless it increases the risks associated with coverage, in which case, the premiums rise. However, in a public system, where the state is the only authority, the determination of who gets coverage is based on political pressure, with the noisiest activists getting what they want, and those who aren't politically active or connected (i.e., people who are focused on businesses, families or anything that doesn't get put up to a vote) get shorted. Politics becomes pervasive, and so does the corruption that politics brings.
04-11-2013, 01:18 PMThe Obama Administration: Deny. Deflect. Blame.
04-11-2013, 02:28 PMIn Memory Of My Friend 1st Sgt. Tim Millsap A Co, 70th Eng. Bn. 3rd Bde 1st AD...K.I.A. 25 April 2005
Liberalism Is The Philosophy Of The Stupid
To Achieve Ordered Liberty You Must Have Moral Order As Well
The libs/dems of today are the Quislings of former years. The cowards who would vote a fraud into office in exchange for handouts from the devil.
04-15-2013, 01:25 AM
But once again, let me state again that I really don't care to cover fertility treatments in general. I had a friend last year who went without his heart medication some after losing his job. He did have difficulty. His mother was sick for a long time (no insurance) until she finally ended up in the hospital and they signed her up for medicaid. I have another friend with MS and Diabetes who couldn't have her medicine for a long time and couldn't work either. Her doctor said he didn't know why she was still alive (a miracle). These are just people I know. We've got thousands of people in this country who are struggling to get their medication, who have a terminal illness and don't know how to get their surgery paid for. There are people who have dental pain, but no insurance or money to get it fixed.
But we're worried about fertility treatments? Really? Let's figure out how to help the people who are already here before making new people.
04-22-2013, 04:13 PM
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Precisely. That is what is so evil about Obamacare. As long as a private company is willing to insure anything, and as long as a customer of that company is willing to pay for such insurance, it's not ultimately our concern nor any cost to us. The only reason we are even having this discussion now is that Obamacare has taken over private health insurance and gets to dictate the terms. If the government wants more coverage--even if we fundamentally disagree with it, logically or morally--we still have to pay for it.
I don't want to pay for fertility treatments for gay men to get a surrogate or for a gay woman to be artificially inseminated. I don't want to pay for that cost for anyone outside of a heterosexual marriage. But my moral standards be damned--I still have to pay for it. For those of us who believe that contributing financially to sin makes us also culpable, it is a moral outrage to have to do so.
04-23-2013, 10:31 AM
04-23-2013, 12:14 PMI feel that once a black fella has referred to white foks as "honky paleface devil white-trash cracker redneck Caspers," he's abdicated the right to get upset about the "N" word. But that's just me. -- Jim Goad
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