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  1. #11 The thing about Pinochet was... 
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lanie View Post
    Okay, I've tried to be nice because she's dead. Didn't want to be a grave dancer.

    But now, if you don't like her and don't think she should be honored, you're some sort of a commie.

    Let's make something clear. This woman supported Pinochet. That's what gives me pause. That's what makes me conclude she wasn't for human rights, much less freedom.

    More about Pinochet.

    http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/...gusto-Pinochet



    And btw, that socialist government (say what you will about it) was democratically elected. If you're for overthrowing a democratically elected government, then you're against freedom.





    Thatcher's role in this?

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/304516.stm





    Brought democracy to Chile? It was a coup, and he wouldn't allow any meaningful political opposition (either killing or disappearing his opposition). Either she was ignorant or she flat out lied.

    If this woman supported Pinochet, then there's probably other nasty cold war stuff about her I don't know. I'm sorry that she's dead, but she was NOT a hero. She was a woman who supported a mass murderer. She doesn't deserve honor. That's just conservatives trying to ram their beliefs down our throats.

    Truth is if you support Pinochet, then you don't support freedom. PERIOD.
    He used the left's favored methods against them. He did exactly what Mao or Uncle Joe wouldv'e done. He had informers, he tortured, he executed, he was ruthless just as his enemies were. Does it make what he did morally right by our standards? Hell no it doesn't, but it made him very effective. And now, let us apply the universal multicultural relativism standard and we see that he was only doing what his culture allowed. If 100 million assorted victims of Stalin, Mao or Hitler don't get a rise out anyone then why now? Oh wait, his victims were mostly leftists, and the demographic makes all the difference to some, doesn't it?
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    Lanie:

    Pinochet didn't singlehandedly depose Allende. Allende won a small plurality of the vote and proceded to govern as if he'd won a landslide, which united the opposition into a majority that would have swept him out of office in the next election. The economy collapsed and Allende attempted to rule by decree, but the opposition paralyzed the country with strikes and civil disobedience. Allende's response was to arm his supporters and pull a Chavez, but the army responded and Allende's putche failed. Pinochet ran the country until the leftist revolutionaries were defeated, at which point he voluntarily stepped down and restored the constitutional norms. When he was detained in Britain, it was at the behest of a Spanish court claiming jurisdiction over internal Chilean affairs and voiding Pinochet's diplomatic immunity as a member of the Chilean legislature. Thatcher's support for the rule of law enraged the British left (as always) and they libeled her once again.

    Stop repeating the talking points of liars unless you want to be judged as one yourself.

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    Two of the greatest people from my generation are Reagan and Thatcher. To hell with the stupid Liberals who hate them both. They are just upset because they didn't try to destroy the country by passing their socialist agenda.... Typical brain dead liberals. Think they know what is best for everyone, but don't follow their own agenda.. You want me to give you some examples? God, liberals are stupid ..

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    Quote Originally Posted by LukeEDay View Post
    Dems suck. Plain and simple. They are all dancing in the isles to honor Chavez but not Thatcher? Oh wait, Chavez was a communist like them.
    Chavez sucked too because he also trampled on political opposition.
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    Quote Originally Posted by txradioguy View Post
    Lanie/Bridget...fuck off.

    I mean that sincerely.

    The woman was one of the main reason the Soviet Union is referred to in the past and not the present.

    And all mouth breathing moronic ass clowns like you can do is grave dance.

    You didn't "try to be nice"...you came out of the gate with this rubbish.

    You'd have been better off knowing your role and shutting your damn mouth for once.

    You wonder why you get treated here like you do...it's because you act like you're all innocent and nice and hide behind that rouse to say some of the meanest Libtard things imaginable.

    I'll remember this the next time you get your panties in a twist because we say good riddance to some dictator that was beloved by your fellow Socialist Democrats.

    I don't recall getting my panties in a twist over you all being happy for the death of somebody like Chavez. In fact, I went on DU and pointed out he was against political opposition and was basically not a hero, just like I said here. I wasn't grave dancing then, and I'm not grave dancing now. I'm not happy that she's dead. I just don't appreciate the idea that people HAVE to honor her or else they're bad. And yes, I did try to be nice. I've been practically silent the entire time.

    So, I'll make you a deal. I'll "fuck off" in regards to saying things that aren't nice about Thatcher if you "fuck off" in regards to the idea that we MUST honor her. If you and your fellow conservatives drop that idea, I'll keep my mouth shut.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NJCardFan View Post
    However, you love Obama even though he has a love for Chavez, Castro, Mao, Stalin, etc. Typical leftist hypocrite.
    I think he paid respect to Chavez. I don't recall Obama paying any respect to the other leaders that you mention.

    Good point though, although I don't love Obama. I usually don't love leaders the way some of you all do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Odysseus View Post
    Lanie:

    Pinochet didn't singlehandedly depose Allende. Allende won a small plurality of the vote and proceded to govern as if he'd won a landslide, which united the opposition into a majority that would have swept him out of office in the next election. The economy collapsed and Allende attempted to rule by decree, but the opposition paralyzed the country with strikes and civil disobedience. Allende's response was to arm his supporters and pull a Chavez, but the army responded and Allende's putche failed. Pinochet ran the country until the leftist revolutionaries were defeated, at which point he voluntarily stepped down and restored the constitutional norms. When he was detained in Britain, it was at the behest of a Spanish court claiming jurisdiction over internal Chilean affairs and voiding Pinochet's diplomatic immunity as a member of the Chilean legislature. Thatcher's support for the rule of law enraged the British left (as always) and they libeled her once again.

    Stop repeating the talking points of liars unless you want to be judged as one yourself.

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    Pinochet murdered people for being the opposition. That's not a lie. Nothing Allende or another leader did justifies that.

    You all make excuses for these human rights violations with what? Stalin did it. Nobody here is disagreeing that Stalin was a monster, so that's why I'm not complaining about him. But people are making excuses for Pinochet. There was no excuse in what he did.

    How can you expect me to believe your side is for freedom, when people defend stuff like this? How can you expect me to believe you're for free speech when you try to use the tactic of "Convert or you're a liar?" No, I'm not playing that game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lanie View Post
    Pinochet murdered people for being the opposition. That's not a lie. Nothing Allende or another leader did justifies that.

    You all make excuses for these human rights violations with what? Stalin did it. Nobody here is disagreeing that Stalin was a monster, so that's why I'm not complaining about him. But people are making excuses for Pinochet. There was no excuse in what he did.

    How can you expect me to believe your side is for freedom, when people defend stuff like this? How can you expect me to believe you're for free speech when you try to use the tactic of "Convert or you're a liar?" No, I'm not playing that game.
    In the words of the immortal Rhett Butler in Gone with the Wind, "Frankly my dear, I don't give a damn."

    Lanie, it's not all about you and why we should get all excited trying to make you agree with conservatives. It's a moot point.

    Lady Thatcher has always been one of my heroes. She was a great, courageous woman who spoke her mind and stood up for what she thought was right. You don't see much of that around today.

    She was a great supporter of Reagan and under her, the UK was a staunch ally of the United States.

    I personally don't get all wrapped up in wanting liberals to agree with me. Everyone has their right to their opinion.

    And I don't like grave dancers on either side of the aisle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SaintLouieWoman View Post
    In the words of the immortal Rhett Butler in Gone with the Wind, "Frankly my dear, I don't give a damn."

    Lanie, it's not all about you and why we should get all excited trying to make you agree with conservatives. It's a moot point.

    Lady Thatcher has always been one of my heroes. She was a great, courageous woman who spoke her mind and stood up for what she thought was right. You don't see much of that around today.

    She was a great supporter of Reagan and under her, the UK was a staunch ally of the United States.

    I personally don't get all wrapped up in wanting liberals to agree with me. Everyone has their right to their opinion.

    And I don't like grave dancers on either side of the aisle.
    You're right. It's not about me. It's about wanting Dems to support a resolution honoring her. Truth is nobody wants the silence of Democrats. The conservatives want their support.

    And I'm not glad that she's dead. All the people in the world saying otherwise won't change that fact.
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    And for those of you who think Pinochet only murdered and disappeared extreme Marxists, you're wrong.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv...t/overview.htm

    The victims of the persecution spanned the population: indigenous peoples, the Catholic Church, the rural community with labor unions, former government officials and leftist political parties facing the fiercest repression. More people were killed in the four months following the coup (through December 1973) than in any other year of the dictatorship. According to Amnesty International and the U.N. Human Rights Commission, 250,000 people were detained for political reasons during this period.
    It's funny. During the 2012 election, a big deal was made about the supposed persecution of Catholics over the birth control issue. All the while, this guy murdered Catholics. But that's no big deal because he was a righty, right? He killed people in the rural community for being part of unions. Nobody deserves to die or to be arrested for this stuff.

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