#11 The thing about Pinochet was...04-15-2013, 01:55 PM"Asakatsu Magatsu"
True victory is victory over oneself.
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04-15-2013, 03:07 PM
Pinochet didn't singlehandedly depose Allende. Allende won a small plurality of the vote and proceded to govern as if he'd won a landslide, which united the opposition into a majority that would have swept him out of office in the next election. The economy collapsed and Allende attempted to rule by decree, but the opposition paralyzed the country with strikes and civil disobedience. Allende's response was to arm his supporters and pull a Chavez, but the army responded and Allende's putche failed. Pinochet ran the country until the leftist revolutionaries were defeated, at which point he voluntarily stepped down and restored the constitutional norms. When he was detained in Britain, it was at the behest of a Spanish court claiming jurisdiction over internal Chilean affairs and voiding Pinochet's diplomatic immunity as a member of the Chilean legislature. Thatcher's support for the rule of law enraged the British left (as always) and they libeled her once again.
Stop repeating the talking points of liars unless you want to be judged as one yourself.
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04-15-2013, 03:34 PM
Two of the greatest people from my generation are Reagan and Thatcher. To hell with the stupid Liberals who hate them both. They are just upset because they didn't try to destroy the country by passing their socialist agenda.... Typical brain dead liberals. Think they know what is best for everyone, but don't follow their own agenda.. You want me to give you some examples? God, liberals are stupid ..
I love my God, my country, my flag, and my troops ....
04-15-2013, 11:39 PM
I don't recall getting my panties in a twist over you all being happy for the death of somebody like Chavez. In fact, I went on DU and pointed out he was against political opposition and was basically not a hero, just like I said here. I wasn't grave dancing then, and I'm not grave dancing now. I'm not happy that she's dead. I just don't appreciate the idea that people HAVE to honor her or else they're bad. And yes, I did try to be nice. I've been practically silent the entire time.
So, I'll make you a deal. I'll "fuck off" in regards to saying things that aren't nice about Thatcher if you "fuck off" in regards to the idea that we MUST honor her. If you and your fellow conservatives drop that idea, I'll keep my mouth shut.
04-15-2013, 11:47 PM
You all make excuses for these human rights violations with what? Stalin did it. Nobody here is disagreeing that Stalin was a monster, so that's why I'm not complaining about him. But people are making excuses for Pinochet. There was no excuse in what he did.
How can you expect me to believe your side is for freedom, when people defend stuff like this? How can you expect me to believe you're for free speech when you try to use the tactic of "Convert or you're a liar?" No, I'm not playing that game.
04-15-2013, 11:55 PM
Lanie, it's not all about you and why we should get all excited trying to make you agree with conservatives. It's a moot point.
Lady Thatcher has always been one of my heroes. She was a great, courageous woman who spoke her mind and stood up for what she thought was right. You don't see much of that around today.
She was a great supporter of Reagan and under her, the UK was a staunch ally of the United States.
I personally don't get all wrapped up in wanting liberals to agree with me. Everyone has their right to their opinion.
And I don't like grave dancers on either side of the aisle.
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04-16-2013, 12:03 AM
And I'm not glad that she's dead. All the people in the world saying otherwise won't change that fact.
04-16-2013, 12:11 AM
And for those of you who think Pinochet only murdered and disappeared extreme Marxists, you're wrong.
The victims of the persecution spanned the population: indigenous peoples, the Catholic Church, the rural community with labor unions, former government officials and leftist political parties facing the fiercest repression. More people were killed in the four months following the coup (through December 1973) than in any other year of the dictatorship. According to Amnesty International and the U.N. Human Rights Commission, 250,000 people were detained for political reasons during this period.
I've said what I had to say.
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