04-19-2013, 11:40 PM
Last edited by ABC in Georgia; 04-19-2013 at 11:45 PM.American By Choice ~ 1980
04-20-2013, 12:05 AM
I don't hold these as equal, one is a son of Satan who does evil, the ambassador deserves better than to be displayed as some sort of equal.
In my mind these men are different and until this moment I would never have let them occupy my thoughts at the same time.
04-20-2013, 12:10 AM
Oh Mercy! "Perpetuate" yet? Holy Cow!
Damn that last glass of wine, I felt like having tonight while watching the folks in Boston celebrate.
"In vino veritas" perhaps ... but it sure doesn't help to bring to mind the words I wanted to post!
Blush! Night all!American By Choice ~ 1980
04-20-2013, 12:19 AM
There was more than one reason executions were public up until modern times.
When the criminal died the picture of his less than dignified demise combined itself with the memory of him.
Why have him remembered as some brave freedom fighter that died for an opposing view, I would rather remember this killer of innocents in all of his bloody shame.
04-20-2013, 11:58 AM
Much like I can't to this day get the sight of my mom lying *still* in her coffin out of my mind, and she died back in 1989. I will never forget it. It still hurts to remember.
Some memories are justified and some are not.
Last edited by ABC in Georgia; 04-20-2013 at 12:08 PM.American By Choice ~ 1980
04-20-2013, 12:14 PM
I'm glad the photo got released. It's a good message. THIS is what will happen to you when you attack Americans.
Still think they should have released Osama's pic.
As for the gore, it doesn't bother me, after working in trauma centers for the last 20+ years, I've seen it all.
04-20-2013, 12:34 PM
Sic hacer pace, para bellum.
Sent from my android.--Odysseus
Sic Hacer Pace, Para Bellum.
Before you can do things for people, you must be the kind of man who can get things done. But to get things done, you must love the doing, not the people!
04-20-2013, 02:52 PM
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I've been reading this thread but have been hesitant to post on it because my own feelings are so mixed.
On one hand, publishing a photo of the corpse, grisly or not, is not the same thing as dragging the body through the streets. There is a dynamism about the physical act of attaching the body to a vehicle and driving it through town, scraping and bumping the corpse as you go, to the accompaniment of a cheering crowd. Certainly, a still photo of injuries sustained while resisting arrest and, as Ody pointed out, after receiving decent medical treatment at a good hospital, does not in any way equate to dragging the body through town.
I think NJCardFan was--and forgive me, NJ, if I'm ascribing the wrong motives to you here--referring to the voyeuristic vengeance aspect of both cases. Whether a body is being dragged through a street or whether a still image of its grisly condition is being distributed through some media or other, what is being satisfied in the viewer is a sense of vengeance. The fear, rage and helplessness that the corpse inspired when he was a live person finds an outlet in a public display of that corpse's desecration. I was raised to believe that this particular human impulse reduces us spiritually, and in that sense I agree with NJCardFan that the impulse to view the photo may carry the same moral weight as the impulse to view that corpse's desecration in any other way.
As to the public executions of the past, there has always been an ambivalence about watching such executions. While public hangings, drownings, beheadings, etc. satisfied both the need of the powerful to keep the rabble in line and the need of the rabble to satisfy its own blood lust, there was also a great repulsion against the acts of killing and display which often projected themselves onto the person of the executioner.
The Executioner's Song
...Eventually the condemned man appears, and is led in a procession to the site of execution. He is pleading for his sins to be forgiven, but also for the mercy of being beheaded by the sword, instead of the prescribed end for counterfeiters: death by fire. Authorities refuse. His closest companion at the end is the German city's master executioner, an elderly man who seats the prisoner in a chair and builds the fire.
Writes Harrington: "One outcast departs this life; another remains behind, sweeping up his victim's charred bones and embers." The outcast remaining is Frantz Schmidt, the enigmatic center of Harrington's The Faithful Executioner: Life and Death, Honor and Shame in the Turbulent Sixteenth Century, just out from Farrar, Straus and Giroux.
Whether despised or pitied, executioners have rarely been considered as "genuine individuals," writes the author, a professor at Vanderbilt University...
...Schmidt's family lived originally in Hof, a remote town in the "Bavarian Siberia," writes Harrington. When an alleged assassination plot against the margrave, the local authority, was uncovered and three gunsmiths arrested, the margrave opted for his right to choose a bystander to execute the men. Frantz's father, Heinrich, was selected and threatened with death if he refused. Dishonored after he complied, Heinrich, once a respectable woodsman and fowler, became an executioner, shunned by society, and even forbidden in many towns to enter churches. With their children's prospects limited also by the stigma, many executioner fathers passed the trade, well paid at least, to a son...
I think the moral weight of looking at the photo only lifts when we can honestly look at the damaged corpse and can honestly say to ourselves, "May God have mercy on his soul," without a trace of hypocrisy.
04-20-2013, 04:14 PM
I'm sure we all know that the hospital does not allow photos like this to be released. Policy was broken. It happens.
Now that it has been released it will do one thing. It will keep the nut jobs from saying "they got the wrong guy" or what ever the conspiracy of the day might end up being.
It should also send a strong message to any young converts to the Islamic terrorist movement that their actions will have consequences if they try to pull any shit here on our soil.
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