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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Wood View Post
    If you think that's the final bill that would become law after Senate debate, an HR with committee work and debate, and a conference committe, you really don't know Jack about how Congress works.

    On this one, you're either reading-challenged or never ordered anything on-line from a company with a physical store in your own state, or a store based in your own state that was actually compliant with State tax law:

    Any site that is doing that right now is acting illegally. Current federal law specifically forbids the practice you describe for any sales that have any part of the transaction outside of the state's borders. Since it's virtually impossible to have an internet transaction actually stay in the same country, much less the same state, this effectively never happens legally. L. L. Bean got their butts sued off over doing just this about twenty years ago.
    Hey, and if it's such a great idea, let's make the military PX and Commissary sales to military and dependents subject to sales tax too! Whoopee, gotta squelch all that 'Legalized tax evasion!'

    I guess there are Conservatives who love more taxes after all. You clearly love the idea, I think it stinks, and I don't think either one of us is going to change the other's mind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DumbAss Tanker View Post
    If you think that's the final bill that would become law after Senate debate, an HR with committee work and debate, and a conference committe, you really don't know Jack about how Congress works.
    Then deal with that when it happens. What I've cited is the bill as it is right now.

    Quote Originally Posted by DumbAss Tanker View Post
    On this one, you're either reading-challenged or never ordered anything on-line from a company with a physical store in your own state, or a store based in your own state that was actually compliant with State tax law:
    Now you're moving the goalposts. What you said was "the sending state," which would indicate a state in which a company doesn't have a physical presence.

    Quote Originally Posted by DumbAss Tanker View Post
    Hey, and if it's such a great idea, let's make the military PX and Commissary sales to military and dependents subject to sales tax too! Whoopee, gotta squelch all that 'Legalized tax evasion!'
    That is federal and happens on federal land. Totally different. No one is asking for that in this bill.

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    I guess there are Conservatives who love more taxes after all. You clearly love the idea, I think it stinks, and I don't think either one of us is going to change the other's mind.
    It's not at all that I "love more taxes." I love the states' right to collect valid taxes that are incurred within their own border. See my sig line: first and foremost, AFAIC, the Tenth Amendment is arguably the most important of the Bill of Rights. At present, the federal government is abusing that, in lots of different ways, but most particularly by not letting states collect valid taxes that occur inside that state's borders.

    No one is saying that any state is required to collect these taxes; all in the world that this legislation does is give some of that sovereignty back to the states, where it belongs.
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    Republicans Want to Soften Their Image, When They Should Sharpen Their Opposition to Liberal Ideas -- Like the Internet Tax

    Now, this is becoming a theme. Remember, there is a concerted effort by the Republicans, House and Senate, in Washington to soften their image. The effort to soften their image means they are trying to appear less conservative. They have been told by their consultants, they may have polling data or they may think it themselves, that appearing conservative or being conservative is a very rigid, cold and hard thing. And, as such, they want to soften their appeal, soften their image. And that means that they want to try to convince as many people as possible that they are not conservative.

    I can't tell you how that wounds me to the heart because it's just the opposite. The cold-heartedness, the rigidity, the inflexibility, the mean-spiritedness, the extremism is all on the left in this country. It's the Democrats who exemplify all that. But the Republicans have bought into the idea that conservatism is hard, it's hard-hearted, it's unfeeling, and so they want to soften their image. >>>

    But there is a pattern developing here, and the best way to illustrate it is what's happening with the proposal to invoke sales taxes on the Internet. And there is bipartisan support now for taxing small businesses, and startups, and entrepreneurial endeavors on the Internet. This is a perfect illustration of the ruling class versus the rest of us. It is only fair, you see, that we punish everyone the same. That we make it equally difficult to make a buck. That we make it equally difficult to meet consumer needs, and that we drive up the cost of products and services on the Internet so that they're equal to what it is in the brick and mortar stores.

    See, the theory is the brick and mortar guys, they're paying taxes, sales taxes, well they have to collect sales tax, which raises the price of anything they sell, and that makes it tougher on those guys. And if there's a place where people can go and they don't have to pay as much for a service or item, well, that's not fair. Instead of lightning the burden on everybody, which is what we believe, the prevailing opinion in Washington is to spread the burden to everybody and call that equality. Now, I used to have a phrase for this: Liberalism is spreading misery equally. And now the ruling class throughout Washington seems to have adopted this. >>>

    Now, there's something nobody's talking about here. If you buy something on the Internet, it's not cash and carry. You may not be paying any sales tax, but you do usually have to pay for shipping and packaging, or that is built in, and that is an added cost that the brick and mortar guys do not have. So it equals out. >>>

    All that aside, my point here is we don't hear much anymore about reducing taxes and reducing costs for people who are burdened. We're hearing that we gotta spread the burden equally so that everybody is burdened. When did we become that? When did we have, as our animating, active belief that the burdens are just, the burdens are legitimate, and we must spread them equally? I thought we used to believe in reducing burdens. I thought what we were about was limiting the obstacles in people's way, to be successful. Not making sure that we spread the obstacles fairly and equally, and not being party to the idea of increasing the obstacles and the burdens.

    So where is the talk about reducing taxes? Where's the talk about reducing costs for people who are burdened? Instead of spreading the misery that makes it fair, so-called? We get talk from some Republicans about a growth agenda, about not raising taxes during a recession and supporting the private sector and free enterprise. But it appears to be just talk. If the House would simply oppose this sales tax idea on the Internet, we'd kill it. What's wrong with that? >>>

    >>> Well, I'm gonna tell you every day, I stand proud and happy to be opposed to liberalism, to be against it, to socialism, whatever you want to call it, constantly growing government, shrinking private sector, I'm gonna stand up every day and oppose that.

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    I see that Im not alone in opposing the 'wisdom' of 'spreading the misery'.
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    I live in a rural area outside of the bright lights and big city. Often to spare me a 90 to 120 mile round trip I shop online.

    There are things I need that I can not purchase in town. Most everything I purchase there is sales tax applied due to the retailers already have locations in Nevada. A few of the things I do not pay tax on. The savings does help make up for some of the shipping charges. The fact I am able to purchase some of these items without paying sales tax actually helps me stimulate a few small businesses across the United States! I'm sure these business owners are paying plenty of taxes to their states, and at the same time I have established a trusted relationship with the business and have been a customer for years. In many cases this has been fairly large purchases for items such as work uniforms for a few places I have worked. I have changed jobs, but not vendors!
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    Quote Originally Posted by RobJohnson View Post
    I live in a rural area outside of the bright lights and big city. Often to spare me a 90 to 120 mile round trip I shop online.

    There are things I need that I can not purchase in town. Most everything I purchase there is sales tax applied due to the retailers already have locations in Nevada. A few of the things I do not pay tax on. The savings does help make up for some of the shipping charges. The fact I am able to purchase some of these items without paying sales tax actually helps me stimulate a few small businesses across the United States! I'm sure these business owners are paying plenty of taxes to their states, and at the same time I have established a trusted relationship with the business and have been a customer for years. In many cases this has been fairly large purchases for items such as work uniforms for a few places I have worked. I have changed jobs, but not vendors!
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    Backroom Internet Tax Ambush

    Now that the Senate has approved a bill to give state and local governments more power to collect Internet sales taxes, the bill's author intends to find out what's in it. Specifically he's trying to find out how many audits his bill authorizes against e-commerce companies.

    This bizarre turn in Wyoming Senator Mike Enzi's effort to increase tax collections online comes courtesy of Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid. On Monday the Senate voted 69-27 to approve Mr. Enzi's Marketplace Fairness Act, which forces online retailers to collect sales taxes for all of America's 9,600 state and local governments. >>>

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    House Hits Brakes on Internet Tax Passed by Senate

    The House was in no rush to take up an internet tax bill that senators approved Monday night. And even if the House takes up the issue, lawmakers said, it will be a bill very different from the Seante's.

    House Judiciary Committee Chairman Bob Goodlatte, R-Va., said to expect “thoughtful” consideration in the House, which will involve committee debate and amendments. >>>

    Conservatives and senators from states with no sales tax opposed the bill. They argued it would be a job-killing burden for small online retailers forced to collect taxes in other states.

    Proponents say an online tax is necessary to level the playing field between online and “brick and mortar” retailers who must charge a tax.

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    It never seems to fail. This will undoubtedly help the regimes assault against the private sector as the huge drop in the self employed marches forward. And of course the entrenched Big Government GOP happily hangs the republican party with rope supplied by democrats. Count on it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by RobJohnson View Post
    I live in a rural area outside of the bright lights and big city. Often to spare me a 90 to 120 mile round trip I shop online.

    There are things I need that I can not purchase in town. Most everything I purchase there is sales tax applied due to the retailers already have locations in Nevada. A few of the things I do not pay tax on. The savings does help make up for some of the shipping charges. The fact I am able to purchase some of these items without paying sales tax actually helps me stimulate a few small businesses across the United States! I'm sure these business owners are paying plenty of taxes to their states, and at the same time I have established a trusted relationship with the business and have been a customer for years. In many cases this has been fairly large purchases for items such as work uniforms for a few places I have worked. I have changed jobs, but not vendors!
    Small businesses are specifically exempted from this legislation. This only applies if one has more than a million dollars in annual online (not overall) revenue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Wood View Post
    Small businesses are specifically exempted from this legislation. This only applies if one has more than a million dollars in annual online (not overall) revenue.
    I wonder how long before the big businesses go after the little businesses "to be fair"... if this is true.

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    The job of congress is to find new ways to tax the people and then spend the money raising their families and all good Republicans should now support this, apparently.
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