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    Quote Originally Posted by LukeEDay View Post
    That Clinton's hate Obama. So the feeling is mutual between them. I still say the Clinton's didn't vote for Obama in 2008, or in 2012. They wrote in Hilary.

    More than likely Obama will not hold any end of a bargain, no matter what it is. He is only in things for himself. Screw anyone else. Plus the Clinton's are still mad at Obama for calling them racists in 2008.

    I don't see how Obama can back her in 2016 because if it is her and Joe, she will have to black ball Obama and his job as President. There is no ifs and or buts about that.
    I would probable say Bill is still mad about the racist remarks. Hillary I'm not sure.

    Lets do the basic run down in the race for the DNC ticket.

    Joe Biden has all but filed the paper work. He will run.

    Hillary is very likely to run.

    John Kerry has expressed interest.

    Micheal Obama has hinted.

    Along with about 20 odd-ball others.

    Lurch will draw a few good states but will drop after about the 4th when he realizes he's no longer interesting.

    Micheal will drop before Iowa. Her bitterness and hate will emerge and get the better of her. She is not as good at hiding it as Obama. And the media wont be able to hide it as well. She'll leave blaming racism and a conspiracy from the right to paint her in a bad light.

    Biden will hang around for 5-6 good states. Not doing great but picking up some. His foot in mouth aside he is good at running for office. But his foot in mouth will be his undoing. But Biden won't go easy. He will see Hillary as the threat and attack.

    Hillary will have learned from '08 and wont make those same mistakes. She'll be more spread out and better running. But she is going to have issues. Libya, her age/heath, plus several others.

    Hillary will expect Obama to hold to his deal. But Micheal wont be happy and Obama will do one or two fund-raisers and maybe one showing but that will be it. In fact he will likely be seen more with Biden and that will anger the Clintons. Especially when Biden starts attacking blaming all the failings during her tenure in the State Department on her, and Obama wont stand up against it.

    Bill will be Bill and say some thing stupid on Obama's record. Then all bets are off. Obama will attack and it will be '08 all over again where the Clinton supports ~vs~ Obama Supporters. (Watch for DU and Kos Banns for one side of supporters) Re-hatching all the fighting we saw back then all over again. Obama supporters will be claims that the Clintons are racist. Clinton supporters will be raising the chided comments they were raising back in '08 with the way they were treated and this time its payback as their candidate will be the choice on the boards when the banns start coming down.

    It will really only come to an end when it comes time for the dnc convention time roles around and suddenly every one realizes that its Hillary or who ever the GOP guy is and suddenly every one is pretending to be pales and saying it was all caused by the right-wingers.

    But by then it will be too late. Black votes will sit at home refusing to vote. The racism comments will have cost them.

    Then the party will be too split. Obama supporters will be pissed and will refuse to vote for Hillary. Especially since many got banned for backing Obama on their chat boards. And far as the rest, most will ether be half hearted or feel why bother this time after the fighting.
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    That is interesting, Apocalypse. I don't buy it though.

    Mooch-elle won't run. I think she would be smart enough to know that that she won't make it past the Primaries. Plus, she is more stupid than Obama. God help us if she would even get elected. Obama would be running the country again. And it wouldn't surprise me if she made obama her Vice President.

    There is no need to worry about it, though. As I don't see a woman being elected President in my life time. Hillary won't have a chance.

    The front runner for the Dems will be Biden, and whatever POS the republicans bring in this time.



    Whoever the Repubs bring in; he better have balls of iron and be a real conservative. This running RINO's is ridiculous. And he better attack, attack, attack, attack. Pit bull style.

    Let me also add that John Kerry has no chance of ever being President. He is richer than Romney, and his lashing in 2004 should be enough to keep him away.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LukeEDay View Post
    That is interesting, Apocalypse. I don't buy it though.

    Mooch-elle won't run. I think she would be smart enough to know that that she won't make it past the Primaries. Plus, she is more stupid than Obama. God help us if she would even get elected. Obama would be running the country again. And it wouldn't surprise me if she made obama her Vice President.

    There is no need to worry about it, though. As I don't see a woman being elected President in my life time. Hillary won't have a chance.

    The front runner for the Dems will be Biden, and whatever POS the republicans bring in this time.



    Whoever the Repubs bring in; he better have balls of iron and be a real conservative. This running RINO's is ridiculous. And he better attack, attack, attack, attack. Pit bull style.

    Let me also add that John Kerry has no chance of ever being President. He is richer than Romney, and his lashing in 2004 should be enough to keep him away.
    I'm not saying Mooch will, but I do believe she is vain enough to do it believing she is entitled and actingMarie Antoinette. She could have Obama as her running mate, but I doubt even that could save her under the looking glass of the public eye.

    2016 is looking interesting .

    List of possible Dems.


    • Joe Biden, Vice President of the United States since 2009; U.S. Senator from Delaware 19732009
    • Martin O'Malley, Governor of Maryland since 2007; Mayor of Baltimore 19992007

    • Evan Bayh, U.S. Senator from Indiana 19992011; Governor of Indiana 19891997
    • Cory Booker, Mayor of Newark, New Jersey since 2006
    • Julian Castro, Mayor of San Antonio, Texas since 2009
    • Hillary Rodham Clinton, United States Secretary of State 20092013; U.S. Senator from New York 20012009
    • Andrew Cuomo, Governor of New York since 2011; Attorney General of New York 20072010
    • Rahm Emanuel, Mayor of Chicago since 2011; White House Chief of Staff 20092010
    • Kirsten Gillibrand, U.S. Senator from New York since 2009; U.S. Representative from New York 20072009
    • John Hickenlooper, Governor of Colorado since 2011, mayor of Denver, Colorado 20032011
    • Tim Kaine, U.S. Senator from Virginia since 2013; Governor of Virginia 20062010
    • John Kerry, United States Secretary of State since 2013; U.S. Senator from Massachusetts 19852013; 2004 presidential nominee
    • Amy Klobuchar, U.S. Senator from Minnesota since 2007
    • Jack Markell, Governor of Delaware since 2009; Treasurer of Delaware 19932009
    • Janet Napolitano, United States Secretary of Homeland Security since 2009; Governor of Arizona 20032009
    • Jay Nixon, Governor of Missouri since 2009; Attorney General of Missouri 19932009
    • Deval Patrick, Governor of Massachusetts since 2007
    • Brian Schweitzer, Governor of Montana 20052013
    • Kathleen Sebelius, United States Secretary of Health and Human Services since 2009; Governor of Kansas 20032009
    • Antonio Villaraigosa, Mayor of Los Angeles since 2005
    • Mark Warner, U.S. Senator from Virginia since 2009; Governor of Virginia 20022006
    • Elizabeth Warren, U.S. Senator from Massachusetts since 2013

    Republican Possibles.


    • Jeb Bush, Governor of Florida 19992007
    • Ben Carson, Director of Pediatric Neurosurgery at Johns Hopkins Hospital
    • Chris Christie, Governor of New Jersey since 2010
    • Jon Huntsman, Jr., United States Ambassador to China 20092011; Governor of Utah 20052009; presidential candidate in 2012 election
    • Rand Paul, U.S. Senator from Kentucky since 2011
    • Rick Santorum, U.S. Senator from Pennsylvania 19952007; U.S. Representative from Pennsylvania 19911995; presidential candidate in 2012 election

    • Kelly Ayotte, U.S. Senator from New Hampshire since 2011; Attorney General of New Hampshire 20042009
    • Michele Bachmann, U.S. Representative from Minnesota since 2007; presidential candidate in 2012 election
    • Sam Brownback, Governor of Kansas since 2011; U.S. Senator from Kansas 19962011
    • Bob Corker, U.S. Senator from Tennessee since 2007; Mayor of Chattanooga, Tennessee 20012005
    • Ted Cruz, U.S. Senator from Texas since 2013; Solicitor General of Texas 20032008
    • Mitch Daniels, President of Purdue University since 2013; Governor of Indiana, 20052013
    • Jim DeMint, U.S. Senator from South Carolina 20052013; U.S. Representative from South Carolina 19992005
    • Mary Fallin, Governor of Oklahoma since 2011; U.S. Representative from Oklahoma 20072011
    • Newt Gingrich, Speaker of the House of Representatives 19951999; House Minority Whip 19891995; presidential candidate in 2012 election
    • Nikki Haley, Governor of South Carolina since 2011
    • Bobby Jindal, Governor of Louisiana since 2008; U.S. Representative from Louisiana 20052008
    • John Kasich, Governor of Ohio since 2011; U.S. Representative from Ohio 19832001
    • Susana Martinez, Governor of New Mexico since 2011
    • Cathy McMorris Rodgers, U.S. Representative from Washington since 2005
    • Bob McDonnell, Governor of Virginia since 2010; Attorney General of Virginia 20062009
    • Sarah Palin, 2008 vice-presidential nominee; Governor of Alaska 20062009
    • Mike Pence, Governor of Indiana since 2013; U.S. Representative from Indiana 20012013
    • Rick Perry, Governor of Texas since 2000, Lieutenant Governor of Texas 19992000; presidential candidate in 2012 election
    • Rob Portman, U.S. Senator from Ohio since 2011; Director of the Office of Management and Budget 20062007
    • Condoleezza Rice, United States Secretary of State 20052009; National Security Advisor 20012005
    • Marco Rubio, U.S. Senator from Florida since 2011
    • Paul Ryan, 2012 vice-presidential nominee, U.S. Representative from Wisconsin since 1999
    • Brian Sandoval, Governor of Nevada since 2011; Judge of the District Court for the District of Nevada 20052009
    • John Thune, U.S. Senator from South Dakota since 2005, U.S. Representative from South Dakota 19972003
    • Scott Walker, Governor of Wisconsin since 2011
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    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    I'm not saying Mooch will, but I do believe she is vain enough to do it believing she is entitled and actingMarie Antoinette. She could have Obama as her running mate, but I doubt even that could save her under the looking glass of the public eye.

    2016 is looking interesting .

    List of possible Dems.


    • Joe Biden, Vice President of the United States since 2009; U.S. Senator from Delaware 19732009
    • Martin O'Malley, Governor of Maryland since 2007; Mayor of Baltimore 19992007

    • Evan Bayh, U.S. Senator from Indiana 19992011; Governor of Indiana 19891997
    • Cory Booker, Mayor of Newark, New Jersey since 2006
    • Julian Castro, Mayor of San Antonio, Texas since 2009
    • Hillary Rodham Clinton, United States Secretary of State 20092013; U.S. Senator from New York 20012009
    • Andrew Cuomo, Governor of New York since 2011; Attorney General of New York 20072010
    • Rahm Emanuel, Mayor of Chicago since 2011; White House Chief of Staff 20092010
    • Kirsten Gillibrand, U.S. Senator from New York since 2009; U.S. Representative from New York 20072009
    • John Hickenlooper, Governor of Colorado since 2011, mayor of Denver, Colorado 20032011
    • Tim Kaine, U.S. Senator from Virginia since 2013; Governor of Virginia 20062010
    • John Kerry, United States Secretary of State since 2013; U.S. Senator from Massachusetts 19852013; 2004 presidential nominee
    • Amy Klobuchar, U.S. Senator from Minnesota since 2007
    • Jack Markell, Governor of Delaware since 2009; Treasurer of Delaware 19932009
    • Janet Napolitano, United States Secretary of Homeland Security since 2009; Governor of Arizona 20032009
    • Jay Nixon, Governor of Missouri since 2009; Attorney General of Missouri 19932009
    • Deval Patrick, Governor of Massachusetts since 2007
    • Brian Schweitzer, Governor of Montana 20052013
    • Kathleen Sebelius, United States Secretary of Health and Human Services since 2009; Governor of Kansas 20032009
    • Antonio Villaraigosa, Mayor of Los Angeles since 2005
    • Mark Warner, U.S. Senator from Virginia since 2009; Governor of Virginia 20022006
    • Elizabeth Warren, U.S. Senator from Massachusetts since 2013

    Republican Possibles.


    • Jeb Bush, Governor of Florida 19992007
    • Ben Carson, Director of Pediatric Neurosurgery at Johns Hopkins Hospital
    • Chris Christie, Governor of New Jersey since 2010
    • Jon Huntsman, Jr., United States Ambassador to China 20092011; Governor of Utah 20052009; presidential candidate in 2012 election
    • Rand Paul, U.S. Senator from Kentucky since 2011
    • Rick Santorum, U.S. Senator from Pennsylvania 19952007; U.S. Representative from Pennsylvania 19911995; presidential candidate in 2012 election

    • Kelly Ayotte, U.S. Senator from New Hampshire since 2011; Attorney General of New Hampshire 20042009
    • Michele Bachmann, U.S. Representative from Minnesota since 2007; presidential candidate in 2012 election
    • Sam Brownback, Governor of Kansas since 2011; U.S. Senator from Kansas 19962011
    • Bob Corker, U.S. Senator from Tennessee since 2007; Mayor of Chattanooga, Tennessee 20012005
    • Ted Cruz, U.S. Senator from Texas since 2013; Solicitor General of Texas 20032008
    • Mitch Daniels, President of Purdue University since 2013; Governor of Indiana, 20052013
    • Jim DeMint, U.S. Senator from South Carolina 20052013; U.S. Representative from South Carolina 19992005
    • Mary Fallin, Governor of Oklahoma since 2011; U.S. Representative from Oklahoma 20072011
    • Newt Gingrich, Speaker of the House of Representatives 19951999; House Minority Whip 19891995; presidential candidate in 2012 election
    • Nikki Haley, Governor of South Carolina since 2011
    • Bobby Jindal, Governor of Louisiana since 2008; U.S. Representative from Louisiana 20052008
    • John Kasich, Governor of Ohio since 2011; U.S. Representative from Ohio 19832001
    • Susana Martinez, Governor of New Mexico since 2011
    • Cathy McMorris Rodgers, U.S. Representative from Washington since 2005
    • Bob McDonnell, Governor of Virginia since 2010; Attorney General of Virginia 20062009
    • Sarah Palin, 2008 vice-presidential nominee; Governor of Alaska 20062009
    • Mike Pence, Governor of Indiana since 2013; U.S. Representative from Indiana 20012013
    • Rick Perry, Governor of Texas since 2000, Lieutenant Governor of Texas 19992000; presidential candidate in 2012 election
    • Rob Portman, U.S. Senator from Ohio since 2011; Director of the Office of Management and Budget 20062007
    • Condoleezza Rice, United States Secretary of State 20052009; National Security Advisor 20012005
    • Marco Rubio, U.S. Senator from Florida since 2011
    • Paul Ryan, 2012 vice-presidential nominee, U.S. Representative from Wisconsin since 1999
    • Brian Sandoval, Governor of Nevada since 2011; Judge of the District Court for the District of Nevada 20052009
    • John Thune, U.S. Senator from South Dakota since 2005, U.S. Representative from South Dakota 19972003
    • Scott Walker, Governor of Wisconsin since 2011
    There are some good Repubs on that list, and some you can take off.. We will have to wait and see I guess.

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