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    SEC. 3.(a) It is the intent of the Legislature to enact legislation that would, except when otherwise not permitted by federal law, ensure that everyone in the state has the right to all of the following:

    (1) Access to income sufficient for survival, regardless of employment status or criminal justice background, including, but not limited to, the right to receive funds through public welfare programs, private donations, collecting recyclable goods, or soliciting donations in public spaces.

    (2) Safe, decent, permanent, and affordable housing, as soon as possible, and the right to be free from further dislocation, unless and until safe, decent, permanent, and affordable housing is available.

    (3) Access to clean and safe facilities 24 hours a day, seven days a week, with clearly identifiable staff able to react to safety concerns, including, but not limited to, shelters and drop-in centers that meet basic health, hygiene, and dignity needs, including any special needs of lesbian, gay, bisexual, or transgender individuals, youths, families, or those with mental illness or physical disabilities. This includes the right of all individuals to secure shelter without being required to state their gender or to share confidential health information protected by the federal Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 (Public Law 104-191).

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    How could any state possibly afford to enforce this? Is Starhawk writing CA legislation now?


    Starhawk is a Wiccan author, she wrote a novel envisioning a future in which all of the nation is controlled by fundamentalist Christian extremists and San Francisco is a separate environmentally correct paradise that provides for all who live there, whether they want to work or not. It's called The Fifth Sacred Thing, if you are curious.
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    Pushing the envelope aren't they?

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    Quote Originally Posted by marv View Post
    Pushing the envelope aren't they?
    More like burning it. If this doesn't drive out the last productive taxpayers, I don't know what will.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Odysseus View Post
    More like burning it. If this doesn't drive out the last productive taxpayers, I don't know what will.
    Isn't this the definition of Marxism? Each according to his need as mediated by the government?
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    Quote Originally Posted by noonwitch View Post
    How could any state possibly afford to enforce this? Is Starhawk writing CA legislation now?


    Starhawk is a Wiccan author, she wrote a novel envisioning a future in which all of the nation is controlled by fundamentalist Christian extremists and San Francisco is a separate environmentally correct paradise that provides for all who live there, whether they want to work or not. It's called The Fifth Sacred Thing, if you are curious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by noonwitch View Post
    How could any state possibly afford to enforce this? Is Starhawk writing CA legislation now?


    Starhawk is a Wiccan author, she wrote a novel envisioning a future in which all of the nation is controlled by fundamentalist Christian extremists and San Francisco is a separate environmentally correct paradise that provides for all who live there, whether they want to work or not. It's called The Fifth Sacred Thing, if you are curious.
    Why would this woman be writing legislation?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elspeth View Post
    Why would this woman be writing legislation?
    Cal. years ago passed a amendment years ago that said that any one can submit any law and it must go on the ballot for voters to decided. If passed they can do nothing but follow through with it. Its part of why Cal is so screwed up now. Any idiot can submit any law idea and it must be voted on by the people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elspeth View Post
    Why would this woman be writing legislation?
    She wouldn't, it just sounds like the same thing ideas as in her book. She has been a college professor at times, though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elspeth View Post
    Isn't this the definition of Marxism? Each according to his need as mediated by the government?
    Basically. From each according to his ability and to each according to his need, as Marx plagiarized from another author. But the implications of this are always fun to examine. You see, we cannot determine ability. We can guess at aptitudes, or rate prior performance, but the capacity to accomplish things is unknown. Similarly, need is also not determinable. The best that you can do if you are dividing up resources based on "need" is to give everyone an equal share, regardless of accomplishment. This means that there is no material incentive to be productive, since everyone gets the same pittance, no matter what, and since ability is immeasurable, output is limited to what it takes, not to improve your condition, since it cannot be improved, but to avoid sanction or punishment. Thus, communism can be summed up a people doing just enough to avoid punishment and still get fed. Most cultures call that slavery.

    Quote Originally Posted by noonwitch View Post
    She wouldn't, it just sounds like the same thing ideas as in her book. She has been a college professor at times, though.
    Another indictment of academia.
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