#1 ACLU says Detroit is taking homeless off the streets and dumping them outside the cit
04-29-2013, 09:04 AM
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Dammit!!!! Sarasota needs to start this up again!!!
Mon Apr 29, 2013, 06:48 AM
ACLU says Detroit is taking homeless off the streets and dumping them outside the city
Following a year-long investigation, the ACLU filed a complaint with the U.S. Justice Department and sent a letter to Detroit police demanding an end to what they call a “disturbing practice.”
“DPD’s practice of essentially kidnapping homeless people and abandoning them miles away from the neighborhoods they know – with no means for a safe return — is inhumane, callous and illegal,” said Sarah Mehta, ACLU of Michigan staff attorney. “The city’s desire to hide painful reminders of our economic struggles cannot justify discriminating against the poor, banishing them from their city, and endangering their lives. A person who has lost his home has not lost his right to be treated with dignity.”
The organization says it started receiving complaints last year and that the homeless are told they are not welcome in Greektown, which is popular with visitors to Detroit. The people are then forced in to vans, driven away and then deserted. Mehta told WWJ Newsradio 950 that what police are doing is not just illegal, but inhumane.
“They’re being approached and harassed by police, not necessarily for anything they’re doing, but just because of the way that they look,” Mehta said. “Often they’re being dropped off late at night in neighborhoods that they don’t know. Police often take any money they have out of their pockets and force them to walk back to Detroit, with no guarantee of any safety.”
Detroit Police Chief Chester Logan said he will look into it.“At the present time, the Detroit Police Department has not received a copy of the complaint that has been filed,” said Logan.
OMG!!! How can this be DUmmies????May the FORCE be with you!
04-29-2013, 09:52 AM
There used to be a guy begging outside of the chinese restaurant I frequent. I haven't seen him for about a month. Now I know why.
I'm actually surprised that the DPD has the manpower to do this.
We locals are kind of used to the Greektown beggars. Some of them even have beat-up old musical instruments and play them for money. As Greektown is around the corner from police headquarters, the beggars are usually on their best behavior there. My guess is that the Greektown Casino doesn't like having them around, nor do the Tiger fans now that Comerica Park is in the vicinity, also.
For years, there was this old white lady who used to hang around with the beggars, and she would yell in Greek at people passing by-one of my friends who is of Greek descent said she was swearing. I found out after she died that she was actually the mother of the owners of one of the Greek restaurants there, and they didn't want to put her in a nursing home, so they let her loose on the area, and kept an eye on her from the restaurant window.
If the Detroit Police are doing this to the homeless, it's just one more example of why I call downtown Detroit a Potemkin Village.
04-29-2013, 10:24 AM
You should have a bigger heart toward the homeless.
Homelessness is often caused by mental illness, drug addiction, domestic violence, and people just flat out being down on their luck.
We need to start re-institutionalizing people who are too mentally incompetent to take care of themselves. Ronald Reagan was one of the ones who stopped that, and I think that was a big mistake. If you have schizophrenia, and it's to the point that you can't work, then you shouldn't end up on the streets. Oh yeah, I forgot. Disability. You have to be mentally competent to apply for that and to keep re-applying. Meanwhile, this person needs help.
Domestic Violence: Women shouldn't have to flee their abusive husbands to be safe. Women's shelters only provide so many weeks of assistance. We need laws that put abusive men and women in jail and actually keep them there. Our current system for dealing with domestic violence is a joke.
People who are down on their luck should be helped with getting back on their feet, not condemned.
Drug addiction: This is the only area where I think some heartlessness might be warranted, not because we don't care about them, but because they have to WANT help to be helped. I do think we need a good set of rehab systems for those who want help and can't afford it.
And if all of these people were to get back on their feet, they'd be putting money into the system instead of taking from it at some point.
Oh, and btw, if I was homeless and starving, I would probably do something to purposely get myself thrown in jail. Three meals a day. If I were to do prison time, I might have a chance at job training. We treat our criminals better than we treat our poor.In memory of Ahmed Merabet, Rafael Ramos, and Wenjian Liu.
04-29-2013, 12:06 PM
Lanie-you can't blame de-institutionalization of the mentally ill on Reagan. Conservatives can't blame it totally on liberals, either.
In the 60s and 70s, there was a reform movement in the mental health field. There was a belief that many people who had spent their whole lives in institutions would be better served in the community. If you've ever seen the movie "Frances", you've seen that in many states, mental hospitals were horrible places. There were situations in which people with Down's or developmental disabilities were institutionalized in the same wards as dangerously psychotic patients. ECT was used in high doses to keep patients in line, as were some really bad medications that are not used as frequently as back then because we have better ones now with less negative side effects (Thorazine, Mellaril and others are used less now than Risperdol, Depakote and Seroquel).
Government leaders saw this movement as a way to save money. State mental hospitals are expensive to run. Community-based services and group homes are a lot cheaper.
The problem with deinstitutionalization is that it went too far. Some people do need to be in hospitals for the rest of their lives, like paranoid schizophrenics who think that taking medications will poison them.
My dad had an older sister who had Down's. I never met her, people with Down's had short lifespans in those days and my aunt died when she was in her 20s. She lived her entire life in a state institution. They didn't have community-based health care services for people with developmental disabilities at that time. People with Down's have much longer lifespans since deinstitutionalization occurred, because they are part of the community, can receive supportive services in their family homes, and participate in community activities.
An important reform that came out of that time is that people with developmental disabilities are no longer lumped in with people who have mental health issues.
We still need public mental hospitals, but we don't need as many of them as we did prior to deinstitutionalization.
04-29-2013, 12:14 PM
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Why don't we take the homeless to a therapeutic environment? Perhaps a nice farm in the California valley or the tomato fields of Tampa? Nurture their souls and treat their illnesses, bath them. Give them occupational therapy, like picking oranges and strawberries.
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