05-24-2013, 08:38 AM
They have been doing so for many years-decades. I was a GS in the 70s and at one point had a semi-openly gay leader. She took us camping and never molested a single one of us. At least 2 male teachers from the middle school I was attending during those years have been convicted of sexually molesting girls from their classes, however.
My thing with the Boy Scout ban is not so much with their ban on having gay staff as it is with a ban on gay scouts. When a boy becomes a Cub Scout, he doesn't necessarily know he's gay at that age. I think it's wrong to kick him out at some future point in time, even if his behavior within BSA and the community is above reproach, simply because he is attracted to other boys.
05-24-2013, 09:15 AM
As a private organization, Girl Scouts of the U.S.A. respects the values and beliefs of each of its members and does not intrude into personal matters. Therefore, there are no membership policies on sexual preference. However, Girl Scouts of the U.S.A. has firm standards relating to the appropriate conduct of adult volunteers and staff. The Girl Scout organization does not condone or permit sexual displays of any sort by its members during Girl Scout activities, nor does it permit the advocacy or promotion of a personal lifestyle or sexual preference. These are private matters for girls and their families to address.In January 2012, a teen in California created a video calling for the boycott of Girl Scout Cookies due to a troop in Colorado accepting in a transgender child. .
I have never liked the position of boy scouts on gay members. It's not so much that I think the organization should be about gay rights. It's that I think it's good to include all children. I signed a petition a while back on change.org. It was about a teenager who had been a boy scout all his life (long before he came out as gay), had been working for all these badges for years. It was about to be taken away from him because he was gay. How is that morally right?
I still sometimes showed my support for boy scouts because I knew it was a good thing for other little boys to get into, but I'm very happy that they're being more inclusive.
You can let these people in and apply the no public displays of affection rule, as I'm sure they already have.
05-24-2013, 09:18 AM
Gays are not even in the same ballpark as pedophiles. Pedophiles hurt children.
And if you want to talk about emotional problems to have to deal with, let's talk about the emotional problems that homosexual kids have to deal with from "adults" like you who want to kick them out of an organization they've been part of for years.
Yep, I'm keeping my progressive values. No way would I ever consider the other side after reading crap like that.
05-24-2013, 01:59 PM
Rock speaks for himself, not all conservatives, Lanie. I am conservative and I don't give a rat's ass about anyone's sexual orientation as long as it doesn't intrude on another's rights. You need to understand that one can be a fiscal Conservative without being a social Conservative. Unlike "progressives" (aka Liberals), the Conservative label does not require one to march in lock-step with other Conservatives on all of the issues. The intolerance that exists among Liberals is often made manifest when they turn on their own like rabid dogs whenever one of them espouses a view that doesn't meet the needs of the group. I have seen such behavior far more often among Liberals than I have among Conservatives. The choice of which side you associate with comes down to which one accepts free thinkers more. This is why I call myself a Conservative and will never call myself a Liberal or Progressive or whatever neat little moniker the Left adopts to mask its true intentions from the uninformed."The efforts of the government alone will never be enough. In the end the people must choose and the people must help themselves" ~ JFK; from his famous inauguration speech (What Democrats sounded like before today's neo-Liberals hijacked that party)
05-24-2013, 02:52 PM
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Scouting bored me to death and took precious daylight free time away. I liked being in the church choir. A social life through church was a safe place for me when our neighborhood and school were going down the tubes in my 7th grade year. I was a geek who thought he was hip. I can't imagine having the church turn on me that year. I would imagine that having the scouts turn on you after years of membership is a huge betrayal.
05-24-2013, 11:15 PM
In any case, I think I was too rough earlier. I don't want conservatives to agree with me in regards to whether homosexuality is moral (i.e. a sin, that's what it comes down to for most conservatives IMO). The issue is that i just don't think homosexuals are being treated enough like human beings. They're not monsters and yet people speak of them like they are. I wish they wouldn't do that.
05-25-2013, 03:30 AM
Anyone who thinks in this day and age that guys aren't treated ad human beings is either living in a cave it one of the biggest ducking morons on the planet. I'm going with the lawyer in this case.
This stupid ruling is just another step in the overall moral decline of the country being forced on the majority by a small minority.
Sad day for the Scouts.
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05-25-2013, 03:51 AM
Have you ever considered the possibility that, if homosexuality is immoral, perhaps it is construcive for individuals "afflicted" with that condition to be exposed to an institution that teaches moral behavior as part of its curriculum. After all, if you have compassion, as Jesus suggested his followers should, then barring a gay young man from said exposure is tantamount to depriving a man who is ill of much needed medication. To do so is every bit as immoral as the sin you seek to ostricize by refusing gays admission into the Boy Scouts of America, no?"The efforts of the government alone will never be enough. In the end the people must choose and the people must help themselves" ~ JFK; from his famous inauguration speech (What Democrats sounded like before today's neo-Liberals hijacked that party)
05-25-2013, 08:37 AM
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