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    It's too late, Elvis has left the building. Hospitals have already started implementing Obamacare, in case you didn't know.
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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature&v=ge0oOJShyX0

    Its actually not too late... now. But because of the gutless, leftist dominated GOP "leadership" as time goes by, it will be too late.

    In that time it will most likely be referred to by me as 0bama-Boehner Care.

    They (the GOP) never cease to call me for donations. I will never donate again until the current RINO "leadership" has been dealt with. One reason? The current GOP is has declared war against conservatives. Currently they are accruing funds to defeat conservatives in the next election. Make no mistake. They will do whatever they can to ensure there are NO MORE of the likes of Ted Cruz or Mike Lee who won seats because of the tea party movement. A movement they (the GOP) despise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Articulate_Ape View Post
    So 70% of Americans are covered currently and we are going to screw with their healthcare coverage for the sake of 16% of Americans who are currently uninsured for whatever reason? Another brilliant idea from the Leftist minority in this country. God forbid they would simply address that 16% minority and leave the rest of us alone.

    Listen up, Nova, because I've got news for you. If you think people hate Obamacare now, just wait until it comes into full force. It has already driven costs up substantially when it was supposed to be driving them down. It is also costing substantially more than its proponents claimed it would. It's a fucking train wreck and it is going to hurt a lot of people before it's finally repealed and saner heads prevail to bring about a solution that is based on intelligent thought rather than old hippie feelings.
    Obamacare will turn out to be such a clusterfuck that the only "reasonable" alternative (from a governmental standpoint) at that point will be to go to a universal or single payer system to keep it "fair" for those now covered that were not in the past. Then the nanny staters will get what they wanted in the first place but did not have the political backing to get a few years ago.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkgirl View Post
    It's too late, Elvis has left the building. Hospitals have already started implementing Obamacare, in case you didn't know.
    That doesn't matter. It will be repealed if a Republican is elected President.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Novaheart View Post
    The primary criticism of the article would be that it's obviously not a survey of what is, but of how people think things might be. It's not surprising that many people would align themselves with a political viewpoint given the resources which have been dedicated to demonizing the new system.

    I'd honestly be surprised if 56% of Americans actually had a clue what Obamacare has meant or will mean to them.
    44.6% of Americans are on private employer based health insurance plans. Medicare, Medicaid, or military/veterans' benefits covers 25.2%.
    It isn't the so-called demonization of the program (the mass media is all for it) that's creating the backlash, it's the demonic aspects of the program that people are starting to see as their premiums rise and their choices diminish. *

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    Ssssssingle payer is the presssssiousssss....

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    We spend $8600 per year per person on healthcare in this country.
    England spends $3609 /yr/person.
    The Alabama Dept. Of Corrections once had it on their webpage that they spend (as memory serves) $3300/yr/person.
    Switzerland spends $9171/yr/person.

    Somewhere in there is the cost of healthcare. The only thing we have to discuss in the US apparently is how much of it we are going to give to the real estate and stock portfolios of private insurance companies and their millionaire board members and employees.
    We provide better health care than England does, by an order of magnitude. England's National Health Service is a horror. My wife's experiences with it were what made her into a Thatcherite. There's even a website dedicated to trying to collect the various NHS horror stories, http://nhshorrorstories.blogspot.com/. It's the single worst healthcare provider that you can imagine, this side of Cuba's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Odysseus View Post
    We provide better health care than England does, by an order of magnitude. England's National Health Service is a horror. My wife's experiences with it were what made her into a Thatcherite. There's even a website dedicated to trying to collect the various NHS horror stories, http://nhshorrorstories.blogspot.com/. It's the single worst healthcare provider that you can imagine, this side of Cuba's.
    I read a letter to the editor in the St Pete Times the other day praising the author's trip to an NHS emergency room. So that cancels your wife's experience.

    My sister has made a living suing Kaiser Permanente on behalf of clients. Guess who she has her own insurance with?

    Childrens Hospital National Medical Center was a hellhole when I was there as a youth. It still did groundbreaking work, but the facility was decrepit, hot in the summer, and freezing cold in the winter.

    Washington Hospital Center looked like Lorton Prison before they built the new one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Novaheart View Post
    I read a letter to the editor in the St Pete Times the other day praising the author's trip to an NHS emergency room. So that cancels your wife's experience.

    My sister has made a living suing Kaiser Permanente on behalf of clients. Guess who she has her own insurance with?

    Childrens Hospital National Medical Center was a hellhole when I was there as a youth. It still did groundbreaking work, but the facility was decrepit, hot in the summer, and freezing cold in the winter.

    Washington Hospital Center looked like Lorton Prison before they built the new one.
    I am alive today because of our pre-Obamacare healthcare system. Had I lived in the UK, I would be dead.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Articulate_Ape View Post
    I am alive today because of our pre-Obamacare healthcare system. Had I lived in the UK, I would be dead.
    Or, most likely, in Canada also. I'm in that same boat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Articulate_Ape View Post
    I am alive today because of our pre-Obamacare healthcare system. Had I lived in the UK, I would be dead.
    Apart from being speculation on your part, Obamacare is not an NHS model.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Retread View Post
    Or, most likely, in Canada also. I'm in that same boat.
    Based on what facts or beliefs? Every time someone wants to bash Canadian healthcare he usually takes one of two paths: A- A story about someone who couldn't get state of the art care in East Iceberg NW Territory population 32. B- That someone had to wait a couple of weeks for an orthopedic MRI for a noncritical condition. A leaves out the fact that there are plenty of places in the US which don't have state of the art facilities and B leaves out the fact that acute cases have the same response time (immediate) and comparable results to treatment in the US.

    The wait times in Canada for noncritical care are not due to shortages, they are due to thrift.
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