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    Quote Originally Posted by Novaheart View Post
    There are a lot of people who want to end run the biological process. However, Lopez doesn't say that his mother did that. He merely states that his mother raised him with another woman and that he reconnected with his biological father at some point. That sets him apart from the millions of Americans who were raised by their mother and grandmother with a father who was absent or nearly absent in what way?
    The difference is that the latter are seen for the tragedies that they are and that the children of straight, absent fathers are free to be angry at their situation without being called bigots. Lopez, on the other hand, has been vilified for his public stand that his upbringing was harmful to him. When Lopez tries to be honest, it's the GLBT activists who tear him to pieces.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Novaheart View Post
    Lopez blames his mother for him not growing up with a father, a circumstance he believes ruined his life. No, Elspeth, I have no patience with homosexual alcoholics and drug abusers who look for someone else to blame for their behavior, or who find salvation in heterosexual marriage or Jesus x Christ. Nothing this man writes is to be taken seriously. According to one source, he's lying about being raised by "lesbian parents"; he was raised by his mother who was a lesbian (conveniently dead and unable to defend herself). His mother had a girlfirend who visited occasionally but did not live them them.
    There's more to it than that: his mother and her girlfriend were entrenched in the gay community, and Lopez was entrusted to their gay male friends, one of whom molested him as a young boy. Molestation victims often turn to self-destructive behavior--no surprise there. The problem is that (1) Lopez was led to believe that this gay male friend of his mother was "safe" because he was part of the community and (2) when Lopez talks about this incident, he is vilified by gay activists for supporting the rhetoric of gay men as child molesters and pedophiles. This means Lopez is told to shut up about his experience by the GLBT community, adding insult to his already considerable injury.


    FYI: the lesbian girlfriend who did not live with them at first moved in with them when the last of her biological children left home. See this link.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elspeth View Post
    There's more to it than that: his mother and her girlfriend were entrenched in the gay community, and Lopez was entrusted to their gay male friends, one of whom molested him as a young boy. Molestation victims often turn to self-destructive behavior--no surprise there. The problem is that (1) Lopez was led to believe that this gay male friend of his mother was "safe" because he was part of the community and (2) when Lopez talks about this incident, he is vilified by gay activists for supporting the rhetoric of gay men as child molesters and pedophiles. This means Lopez is told to shut up about his experience by the GLBT community, adding insult to his already considerable injury.


    FYI: the lesbian girlfriend who did not live with them at first moved in with them when the last of her biological children left home. See this link.
    I get it, Lopez felt he had a story to tell and the only people who thought it was relevant were those who wanted to use it against the gay community. I am not surprised.

    I have a friend who said something to me at the age of 24 which changed my life. She said, "Novaheart, adulthood begins when you stop blaming your parents." Here we have a man who is in the Peter Pan world of never leaving a college campus, and who keeps telling the story about how his mother ruined his life. If only his hero heterosexual father had been there to save him. Exactly where was Dad anyway?


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    Bet they collect things
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    Quote Originally Posted by Novaheart View Post
    I can't help but think that this article is supposed to be some attempt at distraction, to keep the public from making the connection and seeing the association between American evangelicals and:

    Gay people being attacked in Russia in the last month.
    And there are American evangelicals in Russia?

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    Gay people being attacked in Paris in the last month.
    And what American evangelicals went to Paris to spur this on? In the cases cited in the media, the attackers were described as skinheads. One of the accused groups was a neo-Nazi party. Blaming this on American Christians is like blaming the Boston Marathon bombing on white grandmothers.

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    Gay people being attacked in New York City in the last month.
    But not by evangelicals. From http://gothamist.com/2013/05/22/east...suspect_al.php:
    The man sought by police for brutally assaulting a gay man in the East Village Monday night turned himself in late yesterday. Roman Gronell, 39, is accused of assaulting victim Dan Contarino while shouting anti-gay slurs as the two men walked on East 4th Street by Avenue D. "Are you a f------ f-----? Why are you a f-----?" Roman screamed as he repeatedly pummeled Contarino in the face and head, police sources tell the Daily News.
    Luckily for Contarino, a security guard who works nearby intervened, and Gronell ran off. Contarino was hospitalized with minor injuries and released yesterday. The two men had known each other for about a month, according to NYPD Commissioner Ray Kelly, who told reporters yesterday:
    They shared a pitcher of sangria at Yuca Bar near Tompkins Square Park, and later went to the gay bar Boiler Room for "shots and beers." According to police, they then walked for pizza near 2nd Avenue and Avenue A—during this walk, around 10:45 p.m., Contarino told the suspect he was gay.
    Contarino told police that the suspect, 39-year-old Roman Gornell, at first seemed to take the news in stride, saying that he had family and friends that were gay. But according to Kelly, Contarino says the suspect later "snapped and became enraged," shouting anti-gay slurs and striking him in the face.
    Gronell, who has been staying at the Bowery Mission, turned himself in last night in The Bronx. The alleged beating took place hours after a large protest against a spate of anti-gay hate crimes in Manhattan, including the fatal shooting of Mark Carson in Greenwich Village.
    In an interview with PIX 11, Contarino said, "Even though there have been incidents, there’s just so many hundreds of people on the street. You don’t expect this to happen. Sometimes certain people just snap, maybe its marriage equality, something on people’s minds, the anger that comes out when they drink."
    And hours after Roman allegedly beat Carson, two men allegedly attacked a gay couple in SoHo after shouting homophobic slurs at them. The victim was left with a bruised eye after the altercation, which occurred on Broadway near Houston Street shortly before 5:30 a.m. Fabian Ortiz and Pedro Jiminez were subsequently arrested and charged with third degree assault as a hate crime.

    So, that's a drunk homeless guy and two Latino males. Not exactly stereotypical evangelicals...


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    American evangelicals promoting hate and violence against gay people in Uganda and other parts of Africa.
    How?

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    Nigeria demonizing gay people and sentencing them to 14 years in prison in order to appease both Christians and Muslims.
    I don't recall Nigeria creating prison sentences for gays prior to the Islamization of the north of the country.
    The audacity of Cardinal Dolan.

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    And of course the glaring association between what American evangelicals say and what skinheads and nazis and religious nutbags do.

    http://www.gaystarnews.com/article/n...kinheads060613

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013...dead-skinheads


    A French leftwing activist has been left braindead after he was attacked by a group of skinheads, in an attack that has raised fears of increased far-right violence.

    The interior minister, Manuel Valls, said a fight broke out on Wednesday evening between two groups of young people in a street just steps away from the famous Printemps department store in Paris.

    Clement Meric, a 19-year-old student at Sciences Po, one of France's most prestigious universities, was beaten by several skinheads, according to Valls.

    No suspects have been arrested, and Valls told reporters at the scene of the attack – a crowded, pedestrianised area with cafes and chain stores – that finding them is the top priority.

    It was unclear how the fight developed and how many people were involved.
    Except that evangelicals don't advocate violence, while neo-Nazis do. Again, you are using the broadest possible brush to equate evangelicals with Nazis, who loathe Christianity. This is intellectually dishonest, and does not address the OP, which talks about the origins of the militancy and rage among gay activists.

    Quote Originally Posted by Novaheart View Post
    There are a lot of people who want to end run the biological process. However, Lopez doesn't say that his mother did that. He merely states that his mother raised him with another woman and that he reconnected with his biological father at some point. That sets him apart from the millions of Americans who were raised by their mother and grandmother with a father who was absent or nearly absent in what way?
    Well, there's the whole lesbian thing...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Novaheart View Post
    I get it, Lopez felt he had a story to tell and the only people who thought it was relevant were those who wanted to use it against the gay community. I am not surprised.
    And that is whose fault exactly?

    If you want to prevent people's pain from being used against your pressure group, your pressure group has to find a way for those people to express their pain within the pressure group without being crucified for it. The gay left is so Super-Glued to its own ideology, that it can't deal with the very real problems of the people they pretend to be fighting for. Lopez is a self-identified bisexual--and this is totally supported by his history. But the GLBT club conveniently forgets the "B" part (and often the "T" part) which they use to inflate the numbers but ignore in larger issues of policy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Novaheart View Post
    He's a mess who blames his parents and has found true meaning to life in Asian mythology. Surprise, surprise, surprise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Novaheart View Post
    There are a lot of people who want to end run the biological process.
    Again since you're too thick headed, or more likely pig headed, to understand that there is a difference between being unable to procreate due to some medical issue and being unable to procreate because it simply biologically impossible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Novaheart View Post
    It was unclear how the fight developed and how many people were involved.
    So it may not have been gay related.

    Dude, try going after the black community and the muslims for a change. They hate the gay community/lifestyle more than all the Evangelicals combined. Your schtick is getting old.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elspeth View Post
    The difference is that the latter are seen for the tragedies that they are and that the children of straight, absent fathers are free to be angry at their situation without being called bigots. Lopez, on the other hand, has been vilified for his public stand that his upbringing was harmful to him. When Lopez tries to be honest, it's the GLBT activists who tear him to pieces.
    They aren't trying to blame their circumstances on heterosexuality or use it as an indictment of all heterosexuals.

    If a gay alcoholic drug abuser blamed all his troubles on being raised by heterosexual parents, what would be your response?

    We've met this jackass before. Ten or fifteen years ago his name was John Paulk. John Paulk was a lying hypocritical wad who made his living being the poster child for "ex-gay". Now he's a gay chef in Washington state or something.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Novaheart View Post
    They aren't trying to blame their circumstances on heterosexuality or use it as an indictment of all heterosexuals.
    But that's not what Lopez is trying to do. He is not anti-gay. He is against gay couples deliberately creating children outside of the male/female dynamic. He sees the lack of either natural parental gender as a deficit for children.

    This argument, by the way, works as well for divorce. When kids blame their parents' divorce for some of their problems, they are not wrong. And it's a result of the same issue: not having bio-mom and bio-dad together in the same house in a relationship.

    If a gay alcoholic drug abuser blamed all his troubles on being raised by heterosexual parents, what would be your response?
    I've actually heard this done. After all, the line goes that heteros don't understand gays, hetero parents reject their gay children, and the rejected gay children drink. Much of gay alcoholism is blamed on the intolerance (or outright rejection) of their parents. When you add hetero parents who throw gay kids out of the house, you can add blame for homelessness, teen prostitution and drug abuse to the list. Of course, when you add any parents who throw their kids out, you can count on pretty much the same thing.


    We've met this jackass before. Ten or fifteen years ago his name was John Paulk. John Paulk was a lying hypocritical wad who made his living being the poster child for "ex-gay". Now he's a gay chef in Washington state or something.
    No, this isn't the same guy. For one thing, Lopez self-identifies as bisexual, not "ex-gay". There is a difference. He considers himself a bisexual who made a choice to be in a hetero married relationship and produced offspring in that way. In a way, you can compare him to Cynthia Nixon from "Sex and the City" who also said that her gay relationship was a choice, although her being bisexual was not.
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