#1 So, Islam is not the problem? Islam is Peace?06-09-2013, 06:53 AM
Please. Can we please dispense with this ridiculous charade we have engaged in since even long before 9/11? Leaders in that cult-like religion and Muslim national leaders (see Iran) make no secret of their attitudes toward the West and their plans to one day subjugate our people's under the banner of Islam. They do not hide it, nor lie about it. It is we who lie to ourselves as we try to pretend that a large Muslim majority does not still cling to the Qur'anic commandments to kill or lord over all of the infidel. When most westerners can speak freely, unless they are so PC they have been blinded to reality, they mostly know what Islam's plan for them is. Most of us know, yet we play this ridiculous and dangerous game with some hope that none of it is true, that this isn't really happening to us. Well it is, and it's only going to get worse and worse if we continue to hide our heads in the sand. Watch this video and then try to tell me I'm wrong...
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06-09-2013, 11:50 AM
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What a nice guy!!!May the FORCE be with you!
06-09-2013, 12:04 PM
We should send them all to another planet, it doesn't have to be inhabitable.
Teach the captions to take off but not how to land, it's been done before.The difference between pigs and people is that when they tell you you're cured it isn't a good thing.
06-09-2013, 03:38 PM
For those who want the transcript:
Egyptian Salafi Cleric Murgan Salem: Boston Bombing Was Meant to Deliver a Message; Similar Attacks Expected in France Following are excerpts from an interview with Egyptian Salafi cleric Sheik Murgan Salem, which aired on Tahrir TV on April 16, 2013:
Interviewer: Today, we will be talking about the Boston bombings, which took place yesterday, during the marathon. There were casualties. People were wounded and killed. What is your analysis of what happened?
Murgan Salem: In the name of Allah, the Merciful, the Compassionate. Obviously, I do not know who carried out that operation, but if it was done by the mujahideen, it serves as a message to America and the West: We are still alive. Contrary to what you say, we have not died. The [Americans] wanted to send a message to the entire world that they had finished off the mujahideen – not just the mujahideen of Al-Qaeda, but the mujahideen all over the world. I do not know who carried out this attack, but if it was indeed the mujahideen, it was meant as a clear message to America and to the West.
Interviewer: But do you think that this could have been an Al-Qaeda operation?
Murgan Salem: No. this was not up to the standards of Al-Qeda. It was extremely amateurish. The standards of Al-Qaeda are much higher. By the way, I was not a member of the Al-Qaeda organization. But I knew all the people who belonged to it.
Interviewer: You were close to Sheik Osama and Dr. Ayman…
Murgan Salem: We were like one family. I am happy and proud to have been a friend of these brothers, but I cannot claim to have had the honor of being an Al-Qaeda member. The standards and techniques of Al-Qaeda are much higher. From what I saw on the news, this was the work of amateurs. I do not know who did it, but they have managed to get the message across: We can reach you whenever and wherever we want.
Over the past 30 years, there has been a qualitative leap in the war with America. American is waging a war in our countries, and we are the ones who reap its fruits. Those courageous heroes have shifted the battle over to America’s own turf.
I do not rule out the possibility that this was carried out by people born in the U.S. I do exclude the possibility that it was done by the Al-Qaeda organization. This is not the work of Osama Bin Laden or Ayman Al-Zawahiri. I think it was done by people resentful of the policy and arrogance of America and Europe. It is not just America.
The Americans have passed their arrogance over to France. France, which led the first Crusade, is now leading the war against Islam and the Muslims. They must taste the bitter retribution for their deeds. This is not a threat, but a warning of what might happen to them.
Interviewer: To America and the West?
Murgan Salem: To France in particular, and to America and the entire West.
Murgan Salem: Because the [French] are leading the war against us. What brought France to Mali? Or America to Afghanistan and Iraq? Why don’t they let our nation be? Have we ever interfered in their affairs?
France has accepted the banner of arrogance and enmity to Islam, so it will taste what it deserves. I cannot be held responsible for over one million [Muslims] in the West, who were harmed by French and American policy. More than one million [Muslims] were born in the West. I cannot be held responsible for them. I do not know what they may do. The [Westerners] are facing a deluge, and they will be destroyed.
Murgan Salem: There is no doubt about it. The U.S. has completely collapsed, even if they are not hurrying to admit it. The American debt has reached how many trillions of dollars? They have a huge debt. Now poverty is spreading throughout America.
We say to the Western peoples: Force your stupid governments to refrain from supporting the tyrants. France’s intervention in Mali will not go unanswered. I don’t think it will. I do not have any specific information, but I am sure it will not go unanswered – just like their intervention in Iraq and Afghanistan did not go unanswered. They will suffer catastrophes for this.
With the utmost stupidity, France has accepted the banner of enmity [to Islam] – from the days of Sarkozy to Hollande. This stupidity will bring catastrophes upon them, just like it did upon America. Although I am not from Al-Qaeda, I can say, as someone who has known these people, that the path of Al-Qaeda is the path of the Koran, which calls upon [Muslims] to wage Jihad against infidels who attack them and intervene in their affairs. This is the path of Islam and the Koran, and not something invented by Osama Bin Laden.
No, it was not invented by Osama or Ayman. It was sent down by Allah, and anyone who thinks he can defeat this path is delusional.
Interviewer: Who do you consider to be an infidel?
Murgan Salem: Anyone who does not accept Islam. They are either original infidels, like the Jews and Christians, or apostates, like the secularists, liberals, Communists, or socialists. Whoever does not accept Islam is an infidel. Allah said so, not me.
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The significance of this is that this is the official, government-run media of Egypt, and the cleric has made news before:
Murgan Salem al-Gohary, an Egyptian jihadist who claims he has links to the Taliban, has called for the “destruction of the Sphinx and the Giza Pyramids in Egypt."
Al-Gohary, an Islamist leader and jihadist sentenced twice under President Hosni Mubarak for advocating violence, urged Muslims to "destroy the idols" in Egypt -- specifically the Giza Pyramids and the Great Sphinx -- during a television interview on Saturday on Egypt's Dream TV, according to Al Arabiya News.
“God ordered Prophet Mohammed to destroy idols,” he said, according to Al Arabiya News. “When I was with the Taliban we destroyed the statue of Buddha, something the government failed to do.”
Adding, “All Muslims are charged with applying the teachings of Islam to remove such idols, as we did in Afghanistan when we destroyed the Buddha statues,” according to the Egypt Independent. The jihadist refers to when the Taliban blew up a pair of Buddha statues and smashed other art forms in Afghanistan in 2001, according to The Jerusalem Post. These were symbols of the country's long Buddhist history.
The vice president of Tunisia’s Ennahda Party, Sheikh Abdel Fattah Moro, called in to the station to challenge al-Gohary's interpretation of Islam. Moro said the famous military commander Amr ibn al-Aas did not destroy statues when he conquered Egypt. “So who are you to do it?” he asked. “The Prophet destroyed the idols because people worshiped them, but the Sphinx and the Pyramids are not worshiped.”
Al-Gohary's call for the destruction of the pyramids and Sphinx came one day after the ultraconservative Salafist party rallied in Tahrir Square to call for Sharia law, according to the U.K.'s Independent. The Salafist party is the second most influential in the country, after the Muslim Brotherhood.
Salafis agree with al-Gohary's view and have demanded Pharaonic statues be covered, according to the Independent.
An Egyptian Interior Ministry source said officials are taking al-Gohary's call for destruction in Egypt seriously. They have “taken the necessary precautions to prevent violations of the law or any abuses of anything in the public domain or archaeological treasures including the pyramids,” according to a report by al-Masry al-Youm, an Egyptian paper, via The Jerusalem Post. Officials have “taken the necessary precautions to deal with any aggression” against the pyramids and Sphinx, as “[t]hey are a source of national income and they bring tourists to Egypt."
So, while this guy was kept under control by the Mubarak regime, the Muslim Brotherhood puts him on the air and gives him a forum. How's that Arab Spring working out?
06-10-2013, 12:03 AM
I get the message. Islam is a bloodthirsty religion.The Obama Administration: Deny. Deflect. Blame.
06-10-2013, 02:41 AM
All we have to do is believe them when they say what they want to do to us and understand that the CORE ( i.e. the majority) of Islam/ Muslims are in solidarity with this cleric. No, no, you say, the majority of Muslims are peaceful people just like you or me. Well, if that is so, then Islam differs from every other religion in this regard. Nope, I'm sorry but the core or majority of Catholics are fundamentalist believers, with the outer fringes ( the small minority) of Catholics being progressive, church on holidays, lenient members of that church.
Regardless of what politicians, Liberals, Middle East experts, and the MSM try to convince us of with their repeated narrative about the benign motives of the vast majority of Islam, the truth is not in hiding. It's right in front of us all being announced almost daily by Islamic leaders even as the canard of "Islam is a religion of peace" is propagated with even greater frequency. Now, I for one, do happen to believe that there are a lot of Muslims that are truly decent people who have no beef with the west and try very hard to assimilate into the nations where they live. However, such people are Muslims in name only because, by the very virtue of how they live their lives, they are in defiance of the Qur'an and most certainly the clerics who preach hatred and issue fatwas demanding death, mostly the death of fellow Muslims who embrace western culture and/or reject Islam. These MINO's live in fear; abject fear of "the religion of peace".
I am beginnings to see signs that maybe, just maybe, that western societies are finally taking off their rose-colored PC glasses,and are seeng this primitive threat for what it is. We shall see if the "awakening" continues and whether it's not too late to cut this very near and present danger off at the knees. Time will tell. While I am optimistic that modernity will win the day over savage antiquity, I fear that we missed the opportunity a long time ago to solve this problem with an minimum of bloodshed. I think things for the human race are going to get significantly worse before they get better. Buckle up.
06-10-2013, 09:56 AM
06-10-2013, 11:41 AM
Aside from terrorism, my biggest beef with Islam is the treatment of women. I also think there is a connection between the treatment of women and the overall justification of violence within the religion, although the mistreatment of women world-wide predates the birth of Muhammed. It's the ulitmate macho religion.
06-10-2013, 03:10 PM
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