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    Quote Originally Posted by Bailey View Post
    Well you are wrong (as most of your posts tend to be). You should look at the corruption of liberalism in school not Religion.
    Where am I wrong?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Novaheart View Post
    Where am I wrong?
    Wherever you are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Novaheart View Post
    Many people view colleges and universities as being centers of knowledge with the expectation of enlightenment. It seems like an oxymoron to have a university dedicated to cultural backwardness and academics corrupted by religion. Also, many people see colleges and universities as inherently government supported and/or falling under a sort of public accommodation definition.

    Public universities and colleges are not allowed to discriminate against anyone for race, religion, gender, disability, or sexual orientation. Private schools are allowed to. Some private colleges and universities are banned from accepting federal student aid, though. Hillsdale College is one of them, although in their case it is also by choice. Bob Jones was denied using federal money at one point in the 80s because they forbid interracial dating.


    I had high school friends who chose to go to Wheaton or Liberty. Both schools have a very strict student code of conduct-not just the ban on gays, but also R rated movies, rock music, books of an unseemly nature and so on. Virtually all college students are legal adults, over the age of 18. If someone chooses to go to such a school, it is his or her choice.

    As for me, I chose a second-tier NCAA school that at the time was the second biggest party school in Michigan (WMU-Wasted Michigan University-Go Broncos!). Nobody really cared what we did, until someone needed her stomach pumped or something.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Novaheart View Post
    Where am I wrong?
    Whenever you type and or speak, even when you use words like "it" "the" and "and"


    You receive enlightenment from God not from a school.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Novaheart View Post
    Where am I wrong?
    Here is the Dr.Seuss version:You are wrong on a bus, you are wrong when you fuss, you are wrong in a car you are wrong in a bar, you are wrong on a boat you are wrong in a moat. everything that you do say lacks all logic through the day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Novaheart View Post
    Many people view colleges and universities as being centers of knowledge with the expectation of enlightenment. It seems like an oxymoron to have a university dedicated to cultural backwardness and academics corrupted by religion. Also, many people see colleges and universities as inherently government supported and/or falling under a sort of public accommodation definition.
    Colleges and universities are businesses, but due to the vast amounts of money pumped into them by the taxpayers, foundations and assorted other institutions, they are insulated from the consequences of poor business decisions, with the result being a singular absence of enlightenment. Religion is far less corrupting to institutions of higher learning than the stultifying culture of political correctness that proliferate the pseudo-scientific faux disciplines whose only real purpose is to give the future members of OWS something to do between drum circles. Say what you will about religion, but most of the great universities of the Renaissance and Enlightenment were founded by religious orders, and one would be more likely to experience real science from Sir Isaac Newton, a deeply devout Christian who saw science as a way of drawing himself closer to God through the study of His laws, than among the various semi-literate dregs of modern academia.

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    "Danielle Powell didn’t know she was a lesbian when she first enrolled at Grace University "

    Wait a tick! I thought that homosexuality was an affliction that the homo's are 'born' with which means that she would have known about her same sex desires a long time before enrolling in college.
    She may have just been sucked into it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Odysseus View Post
    Say what you will about religion, but most of the great universities of the Renaissance and Enlightenment were founded by religious orders,
    Hospitals were started by religious orders as well. That doesn't mean that we indulge faith healing in the ER at Holy Cross Regional Medical Center.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elspeth View Post
    Christian university expels lesbian student, demands scholarship repayment

    A Christian university that expelled a lesbian student for dating another woman wants her to repay the $6,000 scholarship she received to attend classes there.

    Danielle Powell didn’t know she was a lesbian when she first enrolled at Grace University — a private, Christian university in Nebraska. Nevertheless, she began a relationship with another woman in the fall of 2011, after several years at the university.

    Eventually, one of Powell’s advisers found out about the relationship and notified university authorities, who convened a hearing. Powell was outed to friends and family for the first time, according to The Huffington Post.

    Eventually, the university suspended Powell indefinitely, and instructed her to undergo a restoration process involving counseling and therapy before she could re-enroll.

    Powell began the restoration process, but the university declined to re-admit her, since she was still dating a woman. After Iowa legalized gay marriage, Powell married her girlfriend, Michelle Rogers.

    Same-sex relationships violate school policy, according to the university’s student handbook.

    “Any student involved in sexually immoral behavior, including premarital sex, adultery, and homosexual acts, is at minimum placed on University probation and may be subject to a Judiciary Hearing,” says the handbook for the university.

    Chastity is not the only restriction that Grace places on its students. The handbook instructs each student to ask himself whether a given activity will “provide an opportunity for Satan to get a stronghold in an area of my life” before choosing to engage in the activity.

    To this end, dancing, gambling and drinking are explicitly forbidden on and off campus. The viewing of R-rated movies and certain television channels — including HBO, Comedy Central, VH1, MTV, E! Entertainment Television and Black Entertainment Television — is also prohibited.

    Powell would like her credits transferred to another school, but Grace is withholding her transcript until she repays a $6,300 tuition scholarship, she alleged.

    Broke and unable to resume her studies at another college unless Grace releases the transcript, Powell and her wife have started a petition on Change.org that simply asks the university to forgive the debt. So far, over 28,000 people have signed the petition.

    Michael James, vice president of Grace University, denied that the university was withholding Powell’s transcript until she pays.

    “We were clearly willing to provide transcripts and help the student transfer to another university,” he said in a statement to World Magazine.

    He also explained that asking her to repay the scholarship was an automatic step, since the federal government takes back the money if the student doesn’t finish at least 60 percent of the semester.

    But Powell claims the university has so far only been willing to provide a student copy of her transcript, which is useless for transferal.

    In an interview with the World-Herald, Powell said she attended Grace because of the scholarship, and because she could play volleyball there. Though she was a Christian at the time, Powell was not prepared for the strict biblical culture, she said.

    Grace is a nondenominational Christian university.

    James pointed out that Powell did sign an agreement to abide by Grace’s rules, which include no same-sex dating.

    Several lesbians have been engaged in high-profile battles with school authorities in recent weeks. A lesbian schoolteacher recently won a lawsuit against a Catholic school that fired her for undergoing artificial insemination. And the case of Kate Hunt — the 18-year-old high school student who was expelled and arrested for having a sexual relationship with an underage female student — has garnered national media attention.

    I love the search box. I can come back at any time, enter my name, and see what pops up. lol.

    As a Christian university, I can understand not wanting a lesbian to attend. I don't agree, but I can understand. Personally, I think it would be showing real Christian grace if they didn't demand the money back (sort of suggesting she knew all along she was a lesbian, which the student says that's not the case) and transferring her transcript. I think this is different from boy scouts because everybody involved is an adult. It's different from church because it's a school. It's not the same at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bailey View Post
    Why doesn't she have to pay it back? She violated the rules and got booted so she should pay it back
    She says she didn't know she was a lesbian when she first started attending school. Do you think anybody would purposely attend a socially conservative Christian school if they knew they were a lesbian?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Unreconstructed Reb View Post
    "Danielle Powell didn’t know she was a lesbian when she first enrolled at Grace University "

    Wait a tick! I thought that homosexuality was an affliction that the homo's are 'born' with which means that she would have known about her same sex desires a long time before enrolling in college.
    Perhaps she wanted the myth of it being a choice to be true.
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