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    Quote Originally Posted by Lanie View Post
    The far left would say that we're buddies with Saudi Arabia because they're compliant with us regarding oil. To a point, I think I still agree with that belief.
    Of course it's about the oil. We need it, we drink it, we swim and bathe in it. We want it. I have no problem saying we support SA for the oil. We don't want China or Russia getting it. Then the US would be a China or Russia. F that.

    The Left sits in the dark with one thumb in their mouth and the other up their butt when it comes to muzzie matters. You'll not hear a peep from NOW regarding muzzie women in this nation. How come it was OK to burn your bra but I never hear of a campaign to Burn Your Burqa. They're nothing but a giant bag of wussies when it comes to confronting the muzzie pukes. F them too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JB View Post
    Yes, we do. You either back the guy all the way or you don't. After his legal, democratic election, we backed him, and continued to do so.

    We don't stop backing him because the military doesn't like him anymore. Do we back the military if they decide to overthrow Hollande tomorrow?
    That depends on who they put in.

    Morsi is our enemy. Backing him in the first place was idiotic. Supporting him after he's alienated the country would just be compounding the stupidity of the first error. The point is not that he was democratically elected, the point is that he is our enemy, and we have no interest in keeping him in power when the rest of the country wants him out.

    The whole point of punishing your enemies and rewarding your allies is to make people think twice about becoming your enemy, and consider the advantages of being an ally. If you punish your allies (Mubarak, the Shah), and reward your enemies (The Iranian mullahs, Morsi), then why would anyone in their right mind support you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lanie View Post
    We should not have been supporting the shah or Morsi. Even though Obama is a liberal President, I hope you do realize one of the top points leftists make (real leftists, not that wishy washy crap you all call leftists) is that we tend to throw our support behind the scum of the earth, and then complain when they cone back to stab us in the back. For whatever reason WE DON'T LEARN. Why don't we ever learn? Stop this madness.
    The Shah was a staunch US ally. Our abandonment of him resulted in turning one of our strongest allies in the region into an implacable enemy. It reversed the balance of power against the Soviets, in ways that almost cost us the Cold War. Iran was uniquely situated to provide us with listening posts for Soviet radio traffic, and Iran was a buffer against Soviet encroachments into the Middle East. The collapse of the regime meant that we were blind with regard to Soviet actions (one of the reasons that the Afghan invasion surprised Carter) and it also encouraged other nations to act against us (the Afghan invasion was only the first example of our enemies feeling that they could act with impunity while the wimp in the White House dithered).
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    The Obama administration’s call for an “inclusive” political process in Egypt with a role for the Muslim Brotherhood has been overshadowed by conflict between security forces and supporters of the Islamist group.


    Still, the administration has urged the Egyptian military to stop using heavy-handed tactics against the Brotherhood, according to two U.S. officials who asked not to be identified commenting on private communications.

    And just as a refresher for some of those here:

    Founded in 1928 by the Egyptian schoolteacher/activist Hasan al-Banna (a devout admirer of Adolf Hitler and the Nazis), the Muslim Brotherhood (MB) -- a Sunni entity -- is one of the oldest, largest and most influential Islamist organizations in the world. While Egypt historically has been the center of the Brotherhood’s operations, the group today is active in more than 70 countries (some estimates range as high as 100+). Islam expert Robert Spencer has called MB "the parent organization of Hamas and al Qaeda." In 2003, Richard Clarke – the chief counterterrorism advisor on the U.S. National Security Council during both the Bill Clinton and George W. Bush administrations – told a Senate committee that Hamas, al Qaeda, and Palestinian Islamic Jihad were all "descendants of the membership and ideology of the Muslim Brothers."

    MB was established in accordance with al-Banna’s proclamation that Islam should be “given hegemony over all matters of life.” Toward that end, the Brotherhood seeks to establish an Islamic caliphate, or kingdom -- first spanning all of the present-day Muslim world, and eventually the entire globe. The organization further aspires to dismantle all non-Islamic governments wherever they currently exist, and to make Islamic Law (Shari’a) the sole basis of jurisprudence everywhere on earth. This purpose is encapsulated in the Brotherhood’s militant credo: “God is our objective, the Koran is our Constitution, the Prophet is our leader, struggle [jihad] is our way, and death for the sake of God is the highest of our aspirations.”
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