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    Quote Originally Posted by Elspeth View Post


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    You keep that up and you'll be fighting wabid wild animals within the week!

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    You're right, but I can't think of an example with an American diplomat - can you?
    No. Usually, when a country wants to mess with us, they declare the current ambassador Persona Non Grata. I don't know that the Dominicans will do it, because it is an extremely provocative act, and I suspect that Obama would love to hassle them in retaliation, thereby imposing American standards of acceptance of gay conduct on any nation that seeks diplomatic relations with us. The last openly gay ambassador that made the news was Stevens, who was murdered in Libya, but there was very little media discussion of the rumors that he had been raped by the terrorists, which would have been an insult directed at him and the US.
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    If you want to get welfare, you have to put up with the agency's policies.

    If your country wants to get US aid, then your country needs to respect the American value of equality for all people. The Dominican Republic gets lots of aid from us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by noonwitch View Post
    If you want to get welfare, you have to put up with the agency's policies.

    If your country wants to get US aid, then your country needs to respect the American value of equality for all people. The Dominican Republic gets lots of aid from us.
    If this were about equality for all people, then we'd take the conscience objections of religious people, especially those of another sovereign nation, into account in how we deal with them. This is about forcing them to accept the values of a small percentage of Americans, who seek to inflict LGBT agendas on the rest of the world. Once again, from the previous post, on why Obama wants to inflict our "values" on them:

    • He hates the people in question and simply wants to torment them. Or, perhaps more precisely, he hates what they are and wants to destroy what makes them what they are.
    • His ego cannot tolerate being defied.
    • He views the beliefs at issue as stupid and takes pleasure in punishing those who dare be so "wrong." This is a common human motivation.
    • He wants to break the cohesiveness -- and therefore the resistance -- of the target people by forcing them to relinquish the beliefs binding them together.

    Like him, you seem to think that the Dominicans are stupid and you are taking pleasure in punishing them for being so "wrong," and qualifying their aid as welfare demonstrates that you see them as inferiors who we need to drag into enlightenment. You are saying, in effect, that it's okay to insult them as long as we give them money, and they should just take it and shut up. That sounds rather condescending and illiberal, in the classic sense of the term, and puts the lie to your claim of equality for all people. You're treating them as serfs and getting upset that they object to it. That's not diplomacy, it's the arrogance that Obama claimed that America used to inflict on other nations (but never as much as when he was in charge). The hypocrisy is rather blatant.

    And, they don't get a whole lot of money from us. The Dominican Republic will be getting about $23 million in aid next year, down from $28 million last year, and less than half of the $51.9 million that they got in 2009. When they no longer want or need our aid (which, at the current rate, will be in a couple of years), how are you planning to bludgeon them into accepting our newly minted values?
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    Quote Originally Posted by noonwitch View Post
    If your country wants to get US aid, then your country needs to respect the American value of equality for all people. The Dominican Republic gets lots of aid from us.
    WTH Noonie, how naive are you.

    Should the US provide aid to a country that does not recognize Judaism as an official religion? Should it provide aid to a country that forbids women from wearing pants?

    Or is equality just a gay thing?
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    Quote Originally Posted by noonwitch View Post
    If you want to get welfare, you have to put up with the agency's policies.

    If your country wants to get US aid, then your country needs to respect the American value of equality for all people. The Dominican Republic gets lots of aid from us.
    Yeah, pissing all over their refusal to regard some mere sexual perversions (But not others) as two or more additional genders is a brilliant way to convince them of our incredible moral superiority and make them act like bobbleheads whenever we say 'Shake.' Or convince them of our complete decadence and drain-circling moral climate. One or the other.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JB View Post
    WTH Noonie, how naive are you.

    Should the US provide aid to a country that does not recognize Judaism as an official religion? Should it provide aid to a country that forbids women from wearing pants?

    Or is equality just a gay thing?
    No what you guys are discovering...is what I've seen all along with noonie. Despite the persona she puts out of some grandmotherly kinda sorta left leaning Democrat....she's actually as hardcore left as anyone at the DUmp. She's not naive...she drank the kool aid and went back for seconds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by txradioguy View Post
    No what you guys are discovering...is what I've seen all along with noonie. Despite the persona she puts out of some grandmotherly kinda sorta left leaning Democrat....she's actually as hardcore left as anyone at the DUmp. She's not naive...she drank the kool aid and went back for seconds.
    What pisses me off even more is that everyone knows the evils this woman has perpetrated and they still want her as president. They are bigger scumbags then Hillary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zathras View Post
    Oh yeah, send an ambassador that violates the beliefs of the country that we're sending him to. What a great idea. I hope you're never in charge of sending ambassadors around the world Noonie. With that attitude you'll be even worse than the Empty Suit...and that's saying something.
    In 1986, the Reagan administration made a surprising move. Secretary of State George Schultz called career diplomat Edward Perkins.

    "He said, 'There are people around the president who believe that it is time to send a black ambassador,'" recalls Perkins. "He said, 'But not necessarily for the right reasons.'"

    Schultz asked Perkins to think about the job overnight, but warned him that the appointment was so controversial that he couldn't talk to anyone but his wife about it. Perkins thought it over.

    "My wife was the one who said 'You took an oath of office to go where needed when needed," Perkins says. "So how can you say anything but, 'Yes, I'll go'?"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Novaheart View Post
    In 1986, the Reagan administration made a surprising move. Secretary of State George Schultz called career diplomat Edward Perkins.

    "He said, 'There are people around the president who believe that it is time to send a black ambassador,'" recalls Perkins. "He said, 'But not necessarily for the right reasons.'"

    Schultz asked Perkins to think about the job overnight, but warned him that the appointment was so controversial that he couldn't talk to anyone but his wife about it. Perkins thought it over.

    "My wife was the one who said 'You took an oath of office to go where needed when needed," Perkins says. "So how can you say anything but, 'Yes, I'll go'?"
    Being black is something you can't control, while being gay you can. Aside from the immorality of being gay.
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    Quote Originally Posted by noonwitch View Post
    If your country wants to get US aid, then your country needs to respect the American value of extra special rights for an extremely small minority of people. The Dominican Republic gets lots of aid from us.
    Fixed for accuracy.
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