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  1. #1 How Long Before Holder Brings Zimmerman Up On Civil Rights Charges? 
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    Just what the title says. I say within a matter of weeks. Obama isn't one who takes getting egg on his face lightly. Look for Zimmerman to be unpersoned.
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    No way in heck will they bring charges. Not on a weak case such as this
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    An offensive move such as bringing charges against those in the federal government who slandered and brought harm on him might be a good course of action before they have a chance to do anything to him.
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    He won't. Take off the jaded glasses NJ. The jury didn't find him guilty just to forestall riots. A couple hours after the verdict has been made public, there still hasn't been reports of any violence. There will not be any charges on civil rights violations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by djones520 View Post
    He won't. Take off the jaded glasses NJ. The jury didn't find him guilty just to forestall riots. A couple hours after the verdict has been made public, there still hasn't been reports of any violence. There will not be any charges on civil rights violations.
    Are you saying I don't have reason to be jaded? Are we watching the same administration?
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    I can't believe this bitch on msnbc with the Bette Davis eyes (don't know her name). "Tonight 12 year olds will be crawling in bed with their parents." What the fuck? To listen to a lot of these people they didn't watch the trial or read about it. They are still spouting the same garbage. Still referring to Trayvon as a "little boy" with fucking Skittles.

    They said that this isn't over. That Benjamin Crump is going to file a civil suit. I thought he already collected from the HOA. They said, that the evil Zimmerman can be "forced to testify" in the civil suit. Really? How about he just stipulates to all their claims, gets a 12 million dollar judgement against himself, and then runs right down to the bankruptcy court? Ha!

    I am so sick of these assholes trying to exploit this case. I want to see Rick Scott, Angela Corey, de la Rionda, the other prosecutor, Al Sharpton and Lawrence O'Donnell all unemployed.
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    He cant.

    FL law prohibits it.

    Chapter 776: JUSTIFIABLE USE OF FORCE

    776.032 Immunity from criminal prosecution and civil action for justifiable use of force.

    (1) A person who uses force as permitted in s. 776.012, s. 776.013, or s. 776.031 is justified in using such force and is immune from criminal prosecution and civil action for the use of such force, unless the person against whom force was used is a law enforcement officer, as defined in s. 943.10(14), who was acting in the performance of his or her official duties and the officer identified himself or herself in accordance with any applicable law or the person using force knew or reasonably should have known that the person was a law enforcement officer. As used in this subsection, the term “criminal prosecution” includes arresting, detaining in custody, and charging or prosecuting the defendant.

    (2) A law enforcement agency may use standard procedures for investigating the use of force as described in subsection (1), but the agency may not arrest the person for using force unless it determines that there is probable cause that the force that was used was unlawful.

    (3) The court shall award reasonable attorney’s fees, court costs, compensation for loss of income, and all expenses incurred by the defendant in defense of any civil action brought by a plaintiff if the court finds that the defendant is immune from prosecution as provided in subsection (1).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bailey View Post
    No way in heck will they bring charges. Not on a weak case such as this
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    He cant.

    FL law prohibits it.

    Chapter 776: JUSTIFIABLE USE OF FORCE

    776.032 Immunity from criminal prosecution and civil action for justifiable use of force.

    (1) A person who uses force as permitted in s. 776.012, s. 776.013, or s. 776.031 is justified in using such force and is immune from criminal prosecution and civil action for the use of such force, unless the person against whom force was used is a law enforcement officer, as defined in s. 943.10(14), who was acting in the performance of his or her official duties and the officer identified himself or herself in accordance with any applicable law or the person using force knew or reasonably should have known that the person was a law enforcement officer. As used in this subsection, the term “criminal prosecution” includes arresting, detaining in custody, and charging or prosecuting the defendant.

    (2) A law enforcement agency may use standard procedures for investigating the use of force as described in subsection (1), but the agency may not arrest the person for using force unless it determines that there is probable cause that the force that was used was unlawful.

    (3) The court shall award reasonable attorney’s fees, court costs, compensation for loss of income, and all expenses incurred by the defendant in defense of any civil action brought by a plaintiff if the court finds that the defendant is immune from prosecution as provided in subsection (1).
    Federal law supersedes state law, so the feds can file charges, however, they have to be federal charges. DOJ can't file for murder, as the incident didn't occur on federal land, but it can file for violations of civil rights, even if the state has acquitted. Back in the 50's, it's how the feds went after the KKK when they couldn't get local juries to convict. Obviously, I'm not comparing Zimmerman to the KKK, but Holder will probably file charges because (a) he has nothing to lose by doing so and (b) it plays to Obama's base and stirs up the African-American vote for the midterm elections. As for the merits of the case, has Holder ever tried a case on the merits? The NBPP had a summary judgment against them and Holder wouldn't follow up on the case, literally throwing away an easy win. The cases that he has pursued, against reporters and others who have offended the regime, have been pure intimidation, and had nothing to do with the law. The only way to avoid this is for the House of Representatives to draw up an article of impeachment against Holder, which should have been done after he perjured himself. The impeachment would lose in the senate, but it would force the administration to publicly defend Holder's multiple perjuries, his contempt of congress citation and the rest of his misfeasance. The senate Democrats won't vote to convict him, of course, but just getting the articles passed in the house would be damning.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonnabend View Post
    He cant.

    FL law prohibits it.

    Chapter 776: JUSTIFIABLE USE OF FORCE

    776.032 Immunity from criminal prosecution and civil action for justifiable use of force.

    (1) A person who uses force as permitted in s. 776.012, s. 776.013, or s. 776.031 is justified in using such force and is immune from criminal prosecution and civil action for the use of such force, unless the person against whom force was used is a law enforcement officer, as defined in s. 943.10(14), who was acting in the performance of his or her official duties and the officer identified himself or herself in accordance with any applicable law or the person using force knew or reasonably should have known that the person was a law enforcement officer. As used in this subsection, the term “criminal prosecution” includes arresting, detaining in custody, and charging or prosecuting the defendant.

    (2) A law enforcement agency may use standard procedures for investigating the use of force as described in subsection (1), but the agency may not arrest the person for using force unless it determines that there is probable cause that the force that was used was unlawful.

    (3) The court shall award reasonable attorney’s fees, court costs, compensation for loss of income, and all expenses incurred by the defendant in defense of any civil action brought by a plaintiff if the court finds that the defendant is immune from prosecution as provided in subsection (1).
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    I rather doubt that Holder and the Obama Justice Department will twitch here. It would be so astoundingly politically stupid that there aren't instruments to measure it.

    BUT, these fools are hardly above stupidity, as we've all seen. I think that if they are going to try to pursue charges, they'll do it relatively quickly. I think that they'll have a hard time pulling this off since the FBI has already issued an extensive ruling saying that there were no civil rights violations involved here.


    If they do, though, I think that they're in for protests that they've never counted on before.
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