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#1 Hell no, I won’t go! Soldier claims conscientious objector status days...07-22-2013, 08:56 AM
Awww...he got scared.
Sun Jul 21, 2013, 10:29 PM
Hell no, I won’t go! Soldier claims conscientious objector status days before deployment
Hell no, he won't go? Soldier claims conscientious objector status days before deployment
22-year-old Chris Munoz, a private in the U.S. Army, refused to deploy to Afghanistan with his unit after claiming a crisis of conscious
By Bill Briggs, NBC News contributor
As his fellow First Cavalry soldiers stow their gear in Afghanistan, a 22-year-old Army private moves vehicles and cleans buildings at Fort Hood after declining to deploy on the grounds that his conscience won’t let him kill — a move resulting in fierce backlash within the military community.
Amid the era of the all-volunteer force and after 12 years of war, the “conscientious objector” application recently filed by Private Second Class Chris Munoz is a rarity compared to the 171,000 CO claims made during the divisive, draft-based Vietnam War. Only about 100 such claims are submitted annually, according to a federal report. But that number is rising, says a national organization that helps objectors.
“We are getting more calls. There seems to be a lot of folks having problems of conscience,” said Bill Galvin, counseling coordinator at the Center of Conscience & War, a Washington, D.C.-based advocacy group.
“When there’s conscription, we have a lot more work, certainly. But even these days, it's one thing in the abstract to say, ‘I'd like to defend my country,’ but it's something else entirely to be looking down at the barrel of gun and know you have that person’s life in your hands,” Galvin said. “Especially if you don’t know if that person is your enemy.”
DUmmies give the expected "Good job!" to the coward except...
Response to Catherina (Original post)
Mon Jul 22, 2013, 12:25 AM
6. Big rocks into little ones and the little ones into pebbles...
Fuck this guy...
Hey genius, the war has been on for 12 years and the rest of us who signed on the line managed to leave our families multiple times because we agreed to. It's what men (and some women) do.
I think he can manage once at the tail end of things...
I've seen the video of his wife and it basically came down to "He went to basic and got scared and this is what we came up with to get out of it"May the FORCE be with you!
07-22-2013, 09:34 AM
I didn't think that once one is already enlisted that one could claim CO status. I really thought that it only applied to draft or draft registration status.
07-22-2013, 10:44 AM
07-22-2013, 11:17 AM
Noon, what Ody says is right, though none of the few I dealt with were Muslims. Soldiers are recruited at a pretty malleable age (Which for obvious reasons, best suits the military's own needs), but they aren't exactly kept in isolation from other influences after Initial Entry Training (Basic/AIT or OSUT to the Army) and they come under a variety of other influences during their enlistment. A certain percentage of them are legit converts to nonviolent belief systems, but many of them seem to be motivated more by a desire to break the contract and get out - especially in units about to deploy, or people in the medical field particularly who have had DOD pay for their professional education and now don't want to hold up their end of the bargain when there are jobs with better hours and pay and no hardship or danger out there.
- Join Date
- Jun 2008
07-22-2013, 02:50 PM
07-22-2013, 04:46 PM
I've known guys and gals who wanted to get out and would employ all sorts of stories to make that happen, up to and including faking a divorce, using a family illness as a pretext for hardship, going AWOL, admitting smoking a pole, and even punching a guy out.
But never CO.U.S. Army, Retired
07-22-2013, 06:05 PM
I've seen one or two try the CO thing to avoid deploying, not with any great success though. Trying to get the application through is the king of paper chases, however the little shits who want to try it are usually in touch with family members who are egging them on and bombarding their Congressman and Senators with distorted blow-by-blow accounts of how mean the service is to their precious little douchebag.
07-22-2013, 06:59 PMRest In Peace America
- Join Date
- May 2008
- Locked in a Dungeon, being tortured and LOVING IT!
July 4, 1776 - January 20, 2009
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