"We Can't Survive on $7.25!"

**Rockntractor** · 07-31-2013, 12:00 PM

Originally Posted by Lanie

Thank you. Business people rob the general public all the time. Then they wonder why people like me sneak in with our own stuff.

Yeah, I said it guys. I sneak in with my own stuff. What are you all going to do about it? NOTHING!!!!!!

LOL.

So Unbeknownst to anyone you are packing a wiener?

**Lanie** · 07-31-2013, 12:00 PM

Originally Posted by Bailey

You can provide proof? I doubt its "many" areas, maybe in san fran but 99.99% of the stores can't afford to pay people that kind of money. I still don't think a bugger flipper deserves 15 dollars an hour.

You need to keep in mind the price of living.

In some areas, the cost of living is so high, that people have to be paid more in order to live. Otherwise, why bother working for those burger places at all? That's why some places have a higher minimum wage.

For the record, it's more than flipping burgers (which btw, can be a health hazard to those who get dizzy easily like I do). It's also about keeping up with the pace of the business/orders, keeping the place clean and healthy, assisting customers when they have a concern, working endless hours to close at times. To work in a burger place, you need skills for efficiency, working under pressure, multi-tasking, and customer service (especially if you're working drive thru or both drive thru and front at the same time).

**Lanie** · 07-31-2013, 12:01 PM

Originally Posted by Rockntractor

So Unbeknownst to anyone you are packing a wiener?

More like candy and soda in a movie theater. NYC can keep their wiener.

**txradioguy** · 07-31-2013, 12:11 PM

Originally Posted by Lanie

Hey, guess what? Times have changed. Employers no longer prefer teenagers for these jobs because they know there are plenty of adults DESPERATE for a job. If you had your choice between a teenager (who would probably quit in a few months, so much for learning responsibility) or an adult who has something to lose by quitting and probably won't have a parent breathing down your throat on certain safety issues, which one would you choose? I would definitely choose the adult unless the teenager was a mother/father and I was convinced that they'd put their kid before the knee jerk urge to quit a job.

So yeah, adults are now taking the places of teenagers because they can't find anything better. Yeah, they want better wages. I'm always seeing those multi-million dollar fast food joints waste money on remodeling. I think they can afford higher wages.

And right on cue

**txradioguy** · 07-31-2013, 12:13 PM

Originally Posted by Lanie

You need to keep in mind the price of living.

In some areas, the cost of living is so high, that people have to be paid more in order to live. Otherwise, why bother working for those burger places at all? That's why some places have a higher minimum wage.

For the record, it's more than flipping burgers (which btw, can be a health hazard to those who get dizzy easily like I do). It's also about keeping up with the pace of the business/orders, keeping the place clean and healthy, assisting customers when they have a concern, working endless hours to close at times. To work in a burger place, you need skills for efficiency, working under pressure, multi-tasking, and customer service (especially if you're working drive thru or both drive thru and front at the same time).

djones I'm borrwing this from your FB post because...well...it applies so well right here to Lanie's jibberish.

The whole "livable wage" thing is just a basis of socialism really. They want equal pay for unequal work. Go to the same people, and demand that the Military should have their pay doubled then, what do you think the response would be.

**Lanie** · 07-31-2013, 12:28 PM

Originally Posted by txradioguy

djones I'm borrwing this from your FB post because...well...it applies so well right here to Lanie's jibberish.

The whole "livable wage" thing is just a basis of socialism really. They want equal pay for unequal work. Go to the same people, and demand that the Military should have their pay doubled then, what do you think the response would be.

Doesn't the military get a living wage while they're in service? What I've heard that they don't get is enough protective armor in war. I'd go for that along with improving VA (because it's sort of a trainwreck as it is right now). I also support government efforts to assist former military get a decent job.

I should have been more clear. I do understand that we can't necessarily have a living wage because employers will just keep raising the price of their products and that won't work. However, the minimum wage has to be at a point to where you can actually work with it. I know if tea party conservatives had their way, minimum wage would be done away with and employers would have the right to pay employees a quarter an hour if they chose to. I also know that no matter how unreasonable the companies can be, that tea party like conservatives will always be on their side. They don't even think about it or think for that matter. They just BLINDLY choose the side of the company.

**NJCardFan** · 07-31-2013, 12:35 PM

Originally Posted by Lanie

Thank you. Business people rob the general public all the time. Then they wonder why people like me sneak in with our own stuff.

Yeah, I said it guys. I sneak in with my own stuff. What are you all going to do about it? NOTHING!!!!!!

LOL.

I used to think you were an idiot, now I'm convinced of it. No business robs you of anything. You make a choice to do business at any particular establishment.

**Novaheart** · 07-31-2013, 12:57 PM

Originally Posted by txradioguy

djones I'm borrwing this from your FB post because...well...it applies so well right here to Lanie's jibberish.

The whole "livable wage" thing is just a basis of socialism really. They want equal pay for unequal work. Go to the same people, and demand that the Military should have their pay doubled then, what do you think the response would be.

How has the military pay increased relative to the minimum wage over say, the last 20 years?

**ralph wiggum** · 07-31-2013, 01:47 PM

Originally Posted by Novaheart

How has the military pay increased relative to the minimum wage over say, the last 20 years?

Apples and oranges.

But that having been said, I highly doubt that military pay has increased as much (percentage wise) as the minimum wage in the last 30 years. MW was $3.35 in 1983.

If I'm wrong, prove it.

**djones520** · 07-31-2013, 01:59 PM

Originally Posted by Novaheart

How has the military pay increased relative to the minimum wage over say, the last 20 years?

They've been roughly equivalent. My current paygrade from a decade ago to michigan minimum wage a decade ago both had a 31% increase.

That wasn't the point I was making about this though. They want work that they are currently valued at $7.40ish an hour to be doubled to $15 an hour. Well, my work is valued to be around $15 an hour right now, so I want mine doubled to $30 an hour.