Thread: Nova, we're screwn!
#1 Nova, we're screwn!
08-15-2013, 02:01 PM
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Now that the Dems have a "super majority" in the CA legislature, we get all manner of stupidities and illegalities. This one, which prevents local police from enforcing immigration laws, is on its second pass through the governor's office, and he'll feel pressure to sign it.
SACRAMENTO -- Twenty-eight of California's congressional representatives are throwing their weight behind state legislation that would make it harder to deport immigrants who are in the country illegally.
The representatives -- all Democrats, including House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi of San Francisco -- sent a letter to Gov. Jerry Brown urging him to sign the bill if it reaches his desk.
The bill, known as the Trust Act, "establishes a bright line standard between local law enforcement and federal immigration enforcement" and would "continue California's proud tradition of being a leader on smart and sensible policies," the letter says.
The representatives said unnecessary deportations have "reduced the willingness of immigrant and non-immigrant crime victims and witnesses to cooperate with local law enforcement, and consequently has diminished public safety."
Among the letter's signatories are Reps. Zoe Lofgren and Mike Honda both of San Jose, and recently departed members of the state Legislature now in Washington such as Reps. Alan Lowenthal of Long Beach and Jared Huffman of San Rafael.
The bill (AB 4), authored by Assemblyman Tom Ammiano (D-San Francisco), would limit local law enforcement's role in working with federal authorities to begin deportation proceedings.
California congressional representatives had urged Brown to sign a previous version of the legislation last year, but the governor vetoed it over concerns it was too broad. It has since been amended to expand the types of crimes and misdemeanors that could trigger the deportation process.
The bill is now awaiting a vote on the Senate floor.
08-15-2013, 02:03 PM
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See the vote:
08-15-2013, 02:12 PM
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The PDF won't let me cut and paste, so I will give you a couple of screen shots:
08-17-2013, 06:41 AM"continue California's proud tradition of being a leader on smart and sensible policies,"
08-17-2013, 01:00 PM
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The illegals put pressure on the housing market which drives up prices and taxes.
The illegal put pressure on schools, social services, law enforcement, and justice driving up taxes.
The illegals depress the wages of legal workers.
The problem is that Lawrence O'Donnell, Michael Medved, and Hugh Hewitt have successfully sold the lie to the American people that the illegals cannot physically be deported and if they were, it would be so expensive it would work against the public interest. When you challenge this lie using FAIR, then they all (liberals and conservatives) dismiss it as if you had quoted the Ku Klux Klan or the Elders Of Zion.
08-17-2013, 01:50 PM
Screwn?Deplorably Proud To Be An American
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08-18-2013, 02:40 PM
Crime Bankrupts Detroit; Public Unions Mug Two California Cities
In the Industrial Midwest, the city government of Detroit went into bankruptcy in July. Out in California, the city governments of Stockton and San Bernardino entered bankruptcy proceedings in 2012.
But the Detroit and California bankruptcies, like Tolstoy's unhappy families, are not alike. They suffer from quite different ailments.
You can see the difference by comparing their populations in the 1950 and 2010 Censuses. In 1950 Detroit, then the nation's fifth-largest city, had 1,849,568 people. In 2010 it had 713,777.
Stockton and San Bernardino were not much more than small towns in 1950, with 70,853 and 63,058, respectively. Their total population of 133,911 was only 7 percent the size of Detroit's.
It's different now. In 2010 Stockton had 291,707 people, and San Bernardino 209,924, for a combined total of 501,631. That number is 70 percent of the 2010 total of Detroit.
Lots of people moved out of Detroit. Lots of people moved into Stockton and San Bernardino. These numbers are clues to these cities' different roads to bankruptcy.
Or put it another way. Many people who pay taxes moved out of Detroit. Many people who don't pay much in the way of taxes moved into Stockton and San Bernardino.
Why did so many people move out of Detroit? The quick answer: crime abetted by welfare. During the decade from 1965 to 1975, crime and welfare dependency roughly tripled in the United States and rose even more in Detroit.
There was a connection between the two trends. Welfare encouraged single parenthood; fatherless boys often grew up to commit violent crimes.
Most violent crimes were and are committed by (and against) blacks, whose numbers in Detroit during the great northward migration rose from 149,000 in 1940 to 660,000 in 1970.
Crime was especially common in Detroit during the 20-year reign of Mayor Coleman Young, who was first elected in 1973 and served 20 years. Young was smart, charming and inclined to blame the city's problems on fleeing whites.
He stopped tough policing tactics like stop-and-frisk and concentrated on bringing in federal dollars and sponsoring big projects like the downtown Renaissance Center and General Motors' Poletown plant.
But the Detroit Three auto companies were losing market share to foreign competitors, who prudently avoided locating plants anywhere near Detroit.
The city's non-black population dropped from 853,000 in 1970 to 250,000 in 1990. Then white flight was followed by black flight, with the black population dropping from 777,000 in 1990 to 590,000 in 2010.
Crime drove away Detroit's taxpayers. Much residential and commercial property is literally worthless. The Detroit News found that 47 percent of property owners didn't pay property taxes in 2011.
The city workforce is not huge (9,700), and its pensions are not lavish (average: $19,000). But the city lacks a tax base sufficient to pay for services for 713,777 people over 139 square miles.
Stockton and San Bernardino are different. They are typical of mid-sized California cities that were never upscale and have been filling up with immigrants — many of them illegal, primarily from Mexico. Stockton is 40 percent Hispanic; San Bernardino 60 percent.
Public employee unions, legalized by Jerry Brown in his first stint as governor nearly 40 years ago, are strong in California, and in these two cities, as in Vallejo, which went bankrupt in 2008, succeeded in getting lavish salaries, health plans and pensions before the housing bust.
Police and fire unions were especially demanding. You have to meet the competition of richer neighboring cities or lose your public safety officials, they threatened.
After all, housing prices were always going to rise, and federal policies and Fannie Mae encouraged huge mortgages for Hispanics. So the property tax base would always keep rising. What could go wrong?
The 2007-10 foreclosure rates in the Central Valley (Stockton) and the Inland Empire (San Bernardino) were among the nation's highest. I suspect that half the dispossessed homeowners were Hispanic.
These two cities had other problems. Stockton spent $1 billion on downtown and waterfront infrastructure that has been a bust. San Bernardino officials reportedly falsified documents on pension costs.
Economic downturns expose weaknesses and mistakes that are ignored in more prosperous times.
Detroit is in bankruptcy primarily because crime drove out the city's tax base. The California cities are there primarily because of overbearing public employee unions.
They're probably not the last cities to go bankrupt for these reasons.
Michael Barone, senior political analyst for The Washington Examiner (www.washingtonexaminer.com), is a resident fellow at the American Enterprise Institute, a Fox News Channel contributor and a co-author of The Almanac of American Politics. To find out more about Michael Barone, and read features by other Creators writers and cartoonists, visit the Creators Syndicate Web page at www.creators.com.
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Unfortunately, there is a problem with deporting 12 million people. Mass deportations in any country are going to raise issues, and in a country as compassionate as America, those issues will come to define the debate. Every heart string will be tugged, every emotional argument will flood the media zone. Comparisons with Nazi deportations will be commonly made, and difficult to refute, since the rebuttals will be rational but arid compared to the emotional arguments. Leftists will be comparing themselves to the anti-Nazi resistance and cheerfully comparing those who seek to expel illegals with the Nazis. The media will collaborate with them, and the deluge of lawbreaking will make enforcement of any laws, not just immigration laws, next to impossible.
The way to deal with this is to force the left to defend unpopular and uncomfortable positions. Start with illegals who commit felonies, especially high profile ones. Here's an obvious one:
Illegal immigrant worker sentenced in Adrienne Shelly slay
BY THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
THURSDAY, MARCH 13, 2008, 4:48 PM
A man who killed an actress when she caught him trying to steal money from her purse was sentenced Thursday to 25 years in prison after being called a "murderous beast" by her husband.
Diego Pillco, a 20-year-old illegal immigrant from Ecuador, had pleaded guilty in February to first-degree manslaughter in the death of Adrienne Shelly in exchange for the 25-year sentence. He faced 25 years to life in prison if he had been convicted after trial.
Pillco, a construction worker who was doing interior renovations in the Manhattan building where Shelly had an apartment she used as an office, admitted he strangled the "Factotum" actress after she found him trying to steal from her purse in the office. He said he then hanged Shelly to make her death look like a suicide.
"I want to say to the family I didn’t go out with the intention of hurting anyone," Pillco said just before state Supreme Court Justice Carol Berkman imposed the sentence. "I have suffered because I know what I have done."
He insisted he came to the United States "to work and to help my family out, but my life has changed."
"I left my house with the purpose to do work," he said. "I never meant to hurt anyone."
Shelly, born Adrienne Levine, appeared in the 2005 movie "Factotum" with Matt Dillon. She made her directorial debut with "Sudden Manhattan" in 1996, and she wrote, directed and co-starred in "Waitress," which also featured Keri Russell. It was released in 2007, after Shelly’s death.
Shelly’s husband, Andy Ostroy, told Pillco he was "nothing more than a cold-blooded killer" and "a murderous beast" who intended to rob, rape and then silence an "innocent," "beautiful, loving woman."
Ostroy repeated Pillco’s account of the incident to police, saying, "You tied her up and hung her the way you strung up pigs back home in Ecuador. What kind of animal are you?"
"Adrienne was the kindest, warmest, most loving, generous person I knew," Ostroy said. "She was incredibly smart, funny and talented, a bright light with an infectious laugh and huge smile that radiated inner and outer beauty."
The judge said when Pillco was sentenced that because he was in the country illegally he would be subject to immediate deportation upon release from prison
Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crim...#ixzz2cLHgnDyw
Democrats have repeatedly blocked legislation to deport illegals who commit felonies. Let's make them explain why they refuse to deport murderers, rapists, robbers, gang members, drug dealers or other lowlives. Don't let them turn the debate back to the "Dreamers", keep it focused on those who present a clear and present danger to their neighbors, including illegals in their neighborhoods. Flood town halls and hearings on the subject with victims and families of victims and make them defend the indefensible. This will also include terrorists and terror enablers, such as the Tsarnaev boys and their family. Failure by an illegal to report an illegal who commits felonies can also be grounds for deportation, while providing information that leads to capture and conviction can result in legal residence, provided the witness has not committed any crimes. The compassion argument turns against those who hide felons, and puts illegals who want to report crimes in the position of having to report them, rather than seeking to hide them.
The next argument is for deporting illegals who are vagrant. The arguments for welcoming "hard-working" immigrants don't apply to people who come here for welfare, free healthcare and other public services. Again, force the left to justify spending massive amounts of money on people whose only interest in America is a free ride on the backs of the taxpayers. Deport the deadbeats.
Finally, you can look at the remainder. Those who entered illegally, took no handouts, worked hard and kept their noses clean. Maybe they can find a path to citizenship for them, one that doesn't make a mockery of the demands of citizenship and insult the efforts of those who spent the time, effort and money to follow the law.
The left has taught us how to accomplish things incrementally that would otherwise shock and appall people (Gay marriage, for example). It's time that we used their tactics for conservative ends.--Odysseus
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