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    Quote Originally Posted by Molon Labe View Post
    Now Al Qaeda is in power in Iraq, along with numerous other far more hostile factions. Since the outcome of removing Saddam was this inhereant fact, I guess its safe to assume that you got what you wished for as well?

    These guys running around controlling Iraq now are far more hostile than Saddam....who if you remember was our "buddy" at one time. But short term memory loss about such things seems commonplace among some people.
    That's one of the DU talking points that never gets old. It also never gets relevant.

    Rumsfeld met with Saddam as Reagan's special envoy, in 1983, in order to provide Iraq with covert aid against Iran in the Iran/Iraq War. At the same time, we were also covertly providing arms to Iran. Saddam wasn't our "buddy," he was one of two enemies of the US who were engaged in a mutually destructive war, and we gave both sides the means to prolong it so as to exhaust both combatants. One might call that a "realist" approach to global politics.

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    AQ have been running around that place since the summer of 2004. It was a recruiting free for all once it went all Anarchy. This isn't simply an O' problem, it was a crappy FP problem that he's indeed not helping, but goes back long before him.
    AQ had been in Iraq prior to 9/11, although not in great numbers, because Saddam had been a Soviet client and al Qaeda was anti-Soviet, having cut its teeth in Afghanistan. However, after 9/11, Saddam embraced al Qaeda and provided them with safe havens within Iraq after we drove them out of Afghanistan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Odysseus View Post


    AQ had been in Iraq prior to 9/11, although not in great numbers, because Saddam had been a Soviet client and al Qaeda was anti-Soviet, having cut its teeth in Afghanistan. However, after 9/11, Saddam embraced al Qaeda and provided them with safe havens within Iraq after we drove them out of Afghanistan.
    Not to mention he used them as a proxy in his fight with the Kurds in the North. AQ inIraq perfected their kidnappings and beheadings on the Kurdish people.
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    Egypt’s Anti-Christian Pogrom

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    For the first time in 1,600 years, they didn’t pray this past Sunday at the Virgin Mary and Anba Abraam monastery in a village in southern Egypt.

    Islamists firebombed and looted the monastery, which dates back to the fifth century. For good measure, they destroyed a church inside. They then announced that they would be converting the monastery into a mosque.

    Egypt is in the midst of an anti-Christian pogrom. Supporters of ousted Muslim Brotherhood president Mohamed Morsi are lashing out at the country’s Copts for the offense of being Christian in Egypt...

    ...Coptic Christians supported the massive protests that prompted the military to move against Morsi, and Coptic Pope Tawadros II was one of more than a dozen national figures who appeared with General Abdel Fattah al-Sisi when he announced Morsi’s removal. But the Christians were hardly the decisive force in the anti-Morsi uprising that reached across the spectrum from youthful democrats to Communists to supporters of the old Hosni Mubarak regime.

    Islamists have nonetheless portrayed Coptic Christians as the moving force behind events. When the military attacked Muslim Brotherhood encampments in Cairo with deadly force August 14, a local mosque in Al Nazla broadcast the news that Christians were the ones killing the protesters, according to the Christian Science Monitor. Shouting “Allahu akbar,” the villagers looted and burned a church that had only just opened after being under construction for 13 years.

    The Islamists want to portray the Coptic Christians as an alien force, a fifth column working to subvert the country, when in fact the Christians were there first by a matter of centuries. The Christian church was founded in Alexandria around 50 A.D.

    The stagecraft of some of the anti-Christian attacks is eliminationist. After a mob ransacked a Franciscan school in suburban Cairo, knocking the cross off the gate and replacing it with a black banner, the nuns were paraded through the streets like “prisoners of war,” in the words of one.

    Reports say more than 50 churches have been targeted and the attacks have continued since the initial onslaught August 14.

    According to Sam Tadros of the Hudson Institute, a Coptic Christian who is author of the new book Motherland Lost, there has been nothing like it since 1321, when a similar wave of church burnings signaled a centuries-long period of intense persecution that saw the Coptic Christian community decline from somewhat less than half of Egypt’s population to its current 10 percent....
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    BTW, have the nuns been seen since their forced march? According to Sharia, female captives are considered chattel of the faithful and can be taken as concubines. Islam has a long, horrific history of sexual abuse and rape of women taken in jihad. It would be nice if some of those high-minded moralists among our elites said or did something about this before those women are trafficked into slavery.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Odysseus View Post
    BTW, have the nuns been seen since their forced march? According to Sharia, female captives are considered chattel of the faithful and can be taken as concubines. Islam has a long, horrific history of sexual abuse and rape of women taken in jihad. It would be nice if some of those high-minded moralists among our elites said or did something about this before those women are trafficked into slavery.

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    Has anyone heard anything from the administration about the destruction of the chuches or the treatment of the nuns? I haven't heard a lot on Fox either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SaintLouieWoman View Post
    Has anyone heard anything from the administration about the destruction of the chuches or the treatment of the nuns? I haven't heard a lot on Fox either.
    I'm looking into this. There doesn't seem to have been news yesterday on this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SaintLouieWoman View Post
    Has anyone heard anything from the administration about the destruction of the chuches or the treatment of the nuns? I haven't heard a lot on Fox either.
    Commentary from this administration about desecration and destruction of churches and violence against Christians? This reminds me of an exchange in Band of Brothers:

    Nixon: Harry, what exactly are you doing with your reserve chute? You've been hauling that thing around ever since we jumped?
    Welsh: Gonna send it to Kitty when we get back to England. Silk. Figure it'll make a good wedding dress, you know, what with rationing and all.
    Nixon: Geez, Harry, I never would have guessed.
    Welsh: What, that I'm so sentimental?
    Nixon: No, that you think we're going to make it back to England.
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    Christianity being destroyed in Egypt...
    Should we be surprised? Barry Hussein slobbered the MoBros...it's exactly what he wanted.
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    It was the first time the monastery cancelled mass in 1600 years. The monastery lies on the path of the flight of the Holy Family in Egypt.
    WTF. Enjoy hell assholes.

    Can we just destroy the Kaaba and let these pukes know we ain't taking this shit any longer. Round up some f'ing crazies and get it done. Let's settle this.
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    Al Jazeera America did not cover this story.
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