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    I would like to apologize for my candor as of late. You guys are right, I have been generalizing and it's wrong. There are scumbags of all stripes just as there are good people of all stripes. Not all blacks are animals and unfortunately it's the minority of blacks who make them all look bad. But what makes me crazy is that there's been a rash of black on white crime and it seems as though no one cares. No calls for restraint from the president, no reporting of it in the MSM. It's sickening and it's driving this country down another dark path and I fear the worst if it's allowed to fester.
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    Not all blacks are animals and unfortunately it's the minority of blacks who make them all look bad
    Black people are not animals, full stop. They are people with different skin colour.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonnabend View Post
    Black people are not animals, full stop.
    So, are they 'Plant' or 'Mineral?'
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonnabend View Post
    Black people are not animals, full stop. They are people with different skin colour.
    Well at least you didn't say , "They are just people with a different skin colour." Still, it's an over simplification. The criticism of American Negroes isn't that they are dark skinned or have Negroid features, it's that the subculture which continues those physical traits through endogamy (self imposed or otherwise) produces a set of behaviors which while not entirely limited to that one subculture do manifest and present in that subculture in a unique way for which we have several epithets.

    The majority animosity arises when the dominant culture perceives that there is no or insufficient redeeming value to the subculture. White people are accused of "fearing blacks" or more generally "fearing change". The suggestion is always there that such a fear (more accurately a refusal to surrender) is irrational. It's not irrational to not want to see the country designed and built by your culture to continue. We don't want our country to be Detroit or Mexico City... and yet we have these inexplicable people who call themselves Americans who cheer the destruction of this nation: Noel Ignatiev, Amy Goodman, Howard Zinn, Leonard Jeffries, Frances Cress Welsing, Joy de Gruy, and a whole bunch of Mexican "educators" who call themselves American citizens, Larewnce O'donnel, Chris Hayes....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonnabend View Post
    Black people are not animals, full stop. They are people with different skin colour.
    This may be true, however, there is no other culture be it white or another ethnic group(although certain Hispanic groups are giving those who follow this thug culture a run for their money) that embraces lawlessness like the thug culture. I never heard a country song where someone was bustin' caps or pimpin' ho's. As hard ass as my father was growing up, he didn't tolerate any of us wanting to be hippies or even a metal head outside the house. This is where O'Reilly gets it right. The breakdown of the black family has done more to destroy the black community than any perceived white racism ever could. It's out of control and getting worse and now we have race pimps pouring gasoline on these knuckleheads. That's where my problem lies, not with the people per se but the culture they allowed to permeate their youth. Out of anyone here, I believe I have the best knowledge of what happens to these kids. Seems like inmates are getting younger and younger. I've seen 19 and 20 year olds come through my prison most if not all of them have this "I'm badder than bad" attitude and like to pop off at the mouth. The end result is something I don't think they counted on. Even the older black inmates can't understand their mindset. Something needs to change and once upon a time I tried and gave up. I coached little league, basketball, football and saw kids I coached getting locked up before they were legal to drive. It's heartbreaking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NJCardFan View Post
    This may be true, however, there is no other culture be it white or another ethnic group(although certain Hispanic groups are giving those who follow this thug culture a run for their money) that embraces lawlessness like the thug culture. I never heard a country song where someone was bustin' caps or pimpin' ho's. As hard ass as my father was growing up, he didn't tolerate any of us wanting to be hippies or even a metal head outside the house. This is where O'Reilly gets it right. The breakdown of the black family has done more to destroy the black community than any perceived white racism ever could. It's out of control and getting worse and now we have race pimps pouring gasoline on these knuckleheads. That's where my problem lies, not with the people per se but the culture they allowed to permeate their youth. Out of anyone here, I believe I have the best knowledge of what happens to these kids. Seems like inmates are getting younger and younger. I've seen 19 and 20 year olds come through my prison most if not all of them have this "I'm badder than bad" attitude and like to pop off at the mouth. The end result is something I don't think they counted on. Even the older black inmates can't understand their mindset. Something needs to change and once upon a time I tried and gave up. I coached little league, basketball, football and saw kids I coached getting locked up before they were legal to drive. It's heartbreaking.
    I understand where you're coming from. I see the little kids of all races coming in their school groups to the aquarium where we volunteer. Their bright, shiny little faces are eager to learn and many already know so many facts about the dolphins. Sometimes I wonder how long it will take before those more grown up faces will appear in the local news.

    It's a puzzle what to do to keep them on the right track and to not turn into thugs. I saw enough thugs in St Louis when I went about my job selling office equipment to the feds and to local governments. I saw first hand when I went into the prison, with many of the friends of the "residents" waiting on the steps outside. I was lucky that I wasn't mugged in all the years when I went into some pretty scary places.

    Our society needs to prevent somehow the kids going from the sweet litle ones, eager to learn, into the gangster wannabes. This isn't necessarily race specific. I had taught in a school immediately after graduating from college with all whites. It was scary, lots of knives in school, stealing the teachers' cars, etc. With these kids, too, it all boiled down to a lack of parental involvement.
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    Just so you'll know, I do care about black on white crime. I also think gang crime is a terrible problem (which is mostly not white people). As it is, I've stopped taking certain routes to work because the gang violence in the area is getting too rough. Drove by what turned out to be a drive by shooting just a week or two ago. Don't know if the victim was black or white, but it was scary. I understand what you're saying about other races committing crimes and others (especially the media) acting like they don't care. I've also found it frustrating at times.


    I'm for Obama restraining (you mean Syria, right)? I think most Democrats and liberals are for him restraining. I can't speak for the others, but the reason I haven't participated in any open protests is mostly because they're led by answer and I'm just not as stupid as I used to be. I'm also trying to be respectful toward anybody who might have to go out there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SaintLouieWoman View Post
    I understand where you're coming from. I see the little kids of all races coming in their school groups to the aquarium where we volunteer. Their bright, shiny little faces are eager to learn and many already know so many facts about the dolphins. Sometimes I wonder how long it will take before those more grown up faces will appear in the local news.

    It's a puzzle what to do to keep them on the right track and to not turn into thugs. I saw enough thugs in St Louis when I went about my job selling office equipment to the feds and to local governments. I saw first hand when I went into the prison, with many of the friends of the "residents" waiting on the steps outside. I was lucky that I wasn't mugged in all the years when I went into some pretty scary places.

    Our society needs to prevent somehow the kids going from the sweet litle ones, eager to learn, into the gangster wannabes. This isn't necessarily race specific. I had taught in a school immediately after graduating from college with all whites. It was scary, lots of knives in school, stealing the teachers' cars, etc. With these kids, too, it all boiled down to a lack of parental involvement.
    The first article I recall addressing the switch from normal kids eager to learn to the sullen and underperforming black male child pegged the transition to third or fourth grade. Thinking back to my own experience in third and fourth grade, this was an age where I started to experience a perceptual shift with some of my classmates or friends. I did not feel any pressure to emulate "classic male behavior" perhaps because my father wasn't a dumb stump who sat around talking about baseball all day. He was literally a rocket scientist and a boat builder and the time I spent with him was participatory, not spectator.

    Regardless of my value judgements about their interests, I can't recall any of my classmates admiring criminals or criminality. Perhaps that's because our families were held to standards of respectability. Christianity may teach forgiveness, but a small Christian town can be very unforgiving, especially when there is "an order to things" and disrespect for that order can cost you your standing for the rest of your life. We really did believe that anything bad would follow you the rest of your days, even if "anything" is a bit broad. Of course that's where expectations come in. If you expect to succeed, and your success is contingent upon social acceptance, then you tend to obey the rules (as much as anyone does).

    That's why the pattern of the black community is so hard to break. When you don't expect to succeed, then you don't have to follow the rules. When you will be accepted even if you have done something criminal, because your community blames your choices on oppression rather than self, then you don't fear being shunned. If you live in a big city where you can burn lots of bridges before you run out of bridges, then you don't worry too much about burning bridges. If your parents, relations, and social contacts are people who have low standards, then you will have low standards. It takes a very strong and independent person to break out of that. I don't know that I would, what with the comfort of the familiar in play.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Novaheart View Post
    The first article I recall addressing the switch from normal kids eager to learn to the sullen and underperforming black male child pegged the transition to third or fourth grade. Thinking back to my own experience in third and fourth grade, this was an age where I started to experience a perceptual shift with some of my classmates or friends. I did not feel any pressure to emulate "classic male behavior" perhaps because my father wasn't a dumb stump who sat around talking about baseball all day. He was literally a rocket scientist and a boat builder and the time I spent with him was participatory, not spectator.

    Regardless of my value judgements about their interests, I can't recall any of my classmates admiring criminals or criminality. Perhaps that's because our families were held to standards of respectability. Christianity may teach forgiveness, but a small Christian town can be very unforgiving, especially when there is "an order to things" and disrespect for that order can cost you your standing for the rest of your life. We really did believe that anything bad would follow you the rest of your days, even if "anything" is a bit broad. Of course that's where expectations come in. If you expect to succeed, and your success is contingent upon social acceptance, then you tend to obey the rules (as much as anyone does).

    That's why the pattern of the black community is so hard to break. When you don't expect to succeed, then you don't have to follow the rules. When you will be accepted even if you have done something criminal, because your community blames your choices on oppression rather than self, then you don't fear being shunned. If you live in a big city where you can burn lots of bridges before you run out of bridges, then you don't worry too much about burning bridges. If your parents, relations, and social contacts are people who have low standards, then you will have low standards. It takes a very strong and independent person to break out of that. I don't know that I would, what with the comfort of the familiar in play.
    When I was in 9th grade, I used to sit next to this black girl in Algebra class. We got along great and I considered her a friend. She had a twin brother I was friendly with as well. Then half way through our sophomore year, she and her brother moved to Atlantic City who's high school is predominantly black. I ran into her when our 2 schools played each other in basketball and although she recognized me, her demeanor was completely opposite when we were in class together. She acted like my saying hello to her was an affront to her. I just gave her a 'it was nice seeing you' and walked off.
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