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    The first amendment there is quite a leap as well. The separation of church and state is not laid out in the first amendment. But this is typical liberalism at it's worst.
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    These were the original words:

    Amendment II
    A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.



    I agree that it's not about being in the military because that just seems silly. Why wouldn't you be armed in the military? However, the way it's worded leaves room for interpretation IMO. Some people say that's about the right to use arms to overthrow your government, but try it and see what happens.
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    No wonder the US Mensa membership has been dropping.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lanie View Post
    These were the original words:

    Amendment II
    A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.



    I agree that it's not about being in the military because that just seems silly. Why wouldn't you be armed in the military? However, the way it's worded leaves room for interpretation IMO. Some people say that's about the right to use arms to overthrow your government, but try it and see what happens.
    No, it doesn't. The militia is the whole of the people hence for the whole of the people to begin a militia, they need to have the right to keep and bear arms. This, like all amendments, are not ambiguous. Without the 2nd, the other amendments are meaningless. This is why liberals want the 2nd to be repealed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NJCardFan View Post
    No, it doesn't. The militia is the whole of the people hence for the whole of the people to begin a militia, they need to have the right to keep and bear arms. This, like all amendments, are not ambiguous. Without the 2nd, the other amendments are meaningless. This is why liberals want the 2nd to be repealed.
    This is true Lanie. Not just wishful thinking on NJ's part.

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    From Apocalypse' link:

    Textbook version: "The people have a right to keep and bear arms in a state militia."

    Actual 2nd Amendment: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
    The following, has always been my favorite comeback to questionable interpretations ... googled the 'comma' placements, and found this to explain it ...

    How A Comma Gave Americans The Right To Own Guns

    A recent poll suggests Americans will consider the gun debate a pivotal point in the 2014 elections. So we wanted to explore how Americans kept the right to bear arms in the first place. As it turns out, grammar is the culprit.
    Read more here: http://www.businessinsider.com/the-c...endment-2013-8
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lanie View Post
    These were the original words:

    Amendment II
    A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.



    I agree that it's not about being in the military because that just seems silly. Why wouldn't you be armed in the military? However, the way it's worded leaves room for interpretation IMO. Some people say that's about the right to use arms to overthrow your government, but try it and see what happens.
    It was tried once, and the US was what happened.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marv View Post
    It was tried once, and the US was what happened.
    The Founders also said that if government got too oppressive that it was the duty of it's citizens to overthrow it. The Declaration of Independence states as much:

    "That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government"
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