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  1. #1 'Family Glitch' In Health Law Could Be Painful--DU: It's a Republican healthcare plan 
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    Liberals are ramping up the "Obamacare is a Republican plan" meme. They're beginning to see how horrible a plan this is and how it is going to hurt Democrats in the next few elections.

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    'Family Glitch' In Health Law Could Be Painful
    WASHINGTON — A so-called "family glitch" in the 2010 health care law threatens to cost some families thousands of dollars in health insurance costs and leave up to 500,000 children without coverage, insurance and health care analysts say.

    That's unless Congress fixes the problem, which seems unlikely given the House's latest move Friday to strip funding from the law, which is also called the Affordable Care Act.

    Congress defined "affordable" as 9.5% or less of an employee's wages, mostly to make sure people did not leave their workplace plans for subsidized coverage through the exchanges. But the "error" was that it only applies to the employee — and not his or her family. So, if an employer offers a woman affordable insurance, but doesn't provide it for her family, they cannot get subsidized help through the state health exchanges.

    That can make a huge difference; the Kaiser Family Foundation said an average plan for an individual is about $5,600, but it goes up to $15,700 for families. Most employers help out with those costs, but not all.

    "We saw this two-and-a-half years ago and thought, 'Has anyone else noticed this?'" said Kosali Simon, a professor of public affairs at Indiana University who specializes in health economics. "Everyone said, 'No, no. You must be wrong.' But we weren't, and that's going to leave a lot of people out."

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    Demo_Chris (3,316 posts)
    57. Couple points:

    If it were a good deal there would be no need for a mandate. The mandate allows insurance companies to charge more to some than they will receive in benefits, in order to funnel that money to others who will receive more than they paid in. Which is fine in principle, until you add in the additional conditions that the money you are taking from the mandated contributors was money they could not afford to lose, and thanks to co-pays and deductibles (and the principle bill eroding potential savings), money for which they will often see nothing in exchange.

    Second, we are not talking about providing anyone with health care. Obamacare does not do that. Obamacare is an insurance mandate with some provisions to make that mandated insurance somewhat affordable by funneling taxpayer dollars directly to the insurance companies. It is, in every way, a wealth transfer to insurance providers. They not only get guaranteed by law customers, they get taxpayer subsidies and guaranteed profits built right in.

    But no one is guaranteed healthcare.

    Simply, it's a bad law, which is no surprise as it was written by the GOP and insurance companies.

    In my opinion.
    Demo_Chris (3,316 posts)
    9. When tens of millions of Americans with no money and crap jobs...

    Suddenly discover that our party has now added a new multi-hundred dollar bill to their burden they are going to freak the fuck out.

    And the GOP is going to be right there saying "We told you so!"
    Star Member Hydra (11,131 posts)
    13. Irony:

    It's their program. They got to vote against it and say that it's going to destroy everyone.

    How the hell did that happen??
    zipplewrath (9,350 posts)
    39. Even Obama said it

    He said it was not all that different from what the GOP proposed back in the '90s.
    Star Member ProSense (106,014 posts)
    40. Obama also said

    "He said it was not all that different from what the GOP proposed back in the '90s."

    ...it was Romneycare. Did he say Heritage supported the expansion of Medicaid? No, because they hate Medicaid. It's interesting that people will hang onto Obama's political rhetoric as fact, but are quick to call him a liar when they're determined to twist his words.

    It's Obamacare.
    http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023715400
    A plan that was never seriously considered by Republicans.......even "Romneycare" as they call it was for a small state not the whole United States. Somehow liberals never take that into consideration as they try to pass off THEIR unpopular terrible Obamacare plan on the entire United States.
    truedelphi (27,097 posts)
    83. And it was stated again and again during election cycle 2012

    That Rmoney shouldn't complain about Obama Care as it as identical to his insurance plan when he was the governor in Massachusetts.
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    Let me get this right ...

    DUers think Obamacare is a bad idea ... and think the Republicans thought it up and pushed it through into law ???

    Hint for those who might be lurking ( you know who you are you ball-less p*ssies),

    Its called OBAMACARE !!! And if you are too stupid to figure who came up with it , then its a sure sign that evolution gave up you some time ago.
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    Hey DUmmies, send a pic of healing white light to all the people OBAMACARE will hurt.
    May the FORCE be with you!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan D. Doty View Post
    Let me get this right ...

    DUers think Obamacare is a bad idea ... and think the Republicans thought it up and pushed it through into law ???

    Hint for those who might be lurking ( you know who you are you ball-less p*ssies),

    Its called OBAMACARE !!! And if you are too stupid to figure who came up with it , then its a sure sign that evolution gave up you some time ago.
    Admittedly, we're the ones who call it that, but there's an obvious test of their hypothesis: How many Republicans voted for it in the house and senate? If this were a Republican plan wouldn't at least one Republican have voted for it? If only there were some way to check... http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2010/roll165.xml

    FINAL VOTE RESULTS FOR ROLL CALL 165
    (Democrats in roman; Republicans in italic; Independents
    underlined)
    H R 3590 RECORDED
    VOTE 21-Mar-2010 10:49 PM
    QUESTION: On Motion to
    Concur in Senate Amendments
    BILL TITLE: Patient Protection and
    Affordable Care Act



    Ayes Noes PRES NV
    Democratic 219 34
    Republican 178
    Independent
    TOTALS 219 212



    ---- AYES 219 ---

    Ackerman
    Andrews
    Baca
    Baird
    Baldwin
    Bean
    Becerra
    Berkley
    Berman
    Bishop
    (GA)
    Bishop (NY)
    Blumenauer
    Boccieri
    Boswell
    Boyd
    Brady
    (PA)
    Braley (IA)
    Brown,
    Corrine
    Butterfield
    Capps
    Capuano
    Cardoza
    Carnahan
    Carney
    Carson
    (IN)
    Castor
    (FL)
    Chu
    Clarke
    Clay
    Cleaver
    Clyburn
    Cohen
    Connolly
    (VA)
    Conyers
    Cooper
    Costa
    Costello
    Courtney
    Crowley
    Cuellar
    Cummings
    Dahlkemper
    Davis
    (CA)
    Davis
    (IL)
    DeFazio
    DeGette
    Delahunt
    DeLauro
    Dicks
    Dingell
    Doggett
    Donnelly
    (IN)
    Doyle
    Driehaus
    Edwards
    (MD)
    Ellison
    Ellsworth
    Engel
    Eshoo
    Etheridge
    Farr
    Fattah
    Filner
    Foster
    Frank
    (MA)
    Fudge
    Garamendi
    Giffords
    Gonzalez
    Gordon
    (TN)
    Grayson
    Green, Al
    Green, Gene
    Grijalva
    Gutierrez
    Hall
    (NY)
    Halvorson
    Hare
    Harman
    Hastings
    (FL)
    Heinrich
    Higgins
    Hill
    Himes
    Hinchey
    Hinojosa
    Hirono
    Hodes
    Holt
    Honda
    Hoyer
    Inslee
    Israel
    Jackson
    (IL)
    Jackson Lee (TX)
    Johnson (GA)
    Johnson, E.
    B.
    Kagen
    Kanjorski
    Kaptur
    Kennedy
    Kildee
    Kilpatrick
    (MI)
    Kilroy
    Kind
    Kirkpatrick (AZ)
    Klein
    (FL)
    Kosmas
    Kucinich
    Langevin
    Larsen (WA)
    Larson (CT)
    Lee
    (CA)
    Levin
    Lewis (GA)
    Loebsack
    Lofgren,
    Zoe
    Lowey
    Luján
    Maffei
    Maloney
    Markey (CO)
    Markey
    (MA)
    Matsui
    McCarthy
    (NY)
    McCollum
    McDermott
    McGovern
    McNerney
    Meek (FL)
    Meeks
    (NY)
    Michaud
    Miller (NC)
    Miller,
    George
    Mitchell
    Mollohan
    Moore (KS)
    Moore (WI)
    Moran
    (VA)
    Murphy (CT)
    Murphy (NY)
    Murphy, Patrick
    Nadler
    (NY)
    Napolitano
    Neal (MA)
    Oberstar
    Obey
    Olver
    Ortiz
    Owens
    Pallone
    Pascrell
    Pastor
    (AZ)
    Payne
    Pelosi
    Perlmutter
    Perriello
    Peters
    Pingree
    (ME)
    Polis (CO)
    Pomeroy
    Price
    (NC)
    Quigley
    Rahall
    Rangel
    Reyes
    Richardson
    Rodriguez
    Rothman
    (NJ)
    Roybal-Allard
    Ruppersberger
    Rush
    Ryan
    (OH)
    Salazar
    Sánchez, Linda T.
    Sanchez,
    Loretta
    Sarbanes
    Schakowsky
    Schauer
    Schiff
    Schrader
    Schwartz
    Scott
    (GA)
    Scott
    (VA)
    Serrano
    Sestak
    Shea-Porter
    Sherman
    Sires
    Slaughter
    Smith
    (WA)
    Snyder
    Speier
    Spratt
    Stark
    Stupak
    Sutton
    Thompson
    (CA)
    Thompson (MS)
    Tierney
    Titus
    Tonko
    Towns
    Tsongas
    Van
    Hollen
    Velázquez
    Visclosky
    Walz
    Wasserman
    Schultz
    Waters
    Watson
    Watt
    Waxman
    Weiner
    Welch
    Wilson
    (OH)
    Woolsey
    Wu
    Yarmuth


    ---- NOES 212 ---

    Aderholt
    Adler
    (NJ)
    Akin
    Alexander
    Altmire
    Arcuri
    Austria
    Bachmann
    Bachus
    Barrett
    (SC)

    Barrow
    Bartlett
    Barton
    (TX)

    Berry
    Biggert
    Bilbray
    Bilirakis
    Bishop
    (UT)

    Blackburn
    Blunt
    Boehner
    Bonner
    Bono
    Mack

    Boozman
    Boren
    Boucher
    Boustany
    Brady
    (TX)

    Bright
    Broun (GA)
    Brown (SC)
    Brown-Waite,
    Ginny

    Buchanan
    Burgess
    Burton
    (IN)

    Buyer
    Calvert
    Camp
    Campbell
    Cantor
    Cao
    Capito
    Carter
    Cassidy
    Castle
    Chaffetz
    Chandler
    Childers
    Coble
    Coffman
    (CO)

    Cole
    Conaway
    Crenshaw
    Culberson
    Davis
    (AL)
    Davis (KY)
    Davis (TN)
    Deal
    (GA)

    Dent
    Diaz-Balart, L.
    Diaz-Balart,
    M.

    Dreier
    Duncan
    Edwards
    (TX)
    Ehlers
    Emerson
    Fallin
    Flake
    Fleming
    Forbes
    Fortenberry
    Foxx
    Franks
    (AZ)

    Frelinghuysen
    Gallegly
    Garrett
    (NJ)

    Gerlach
    Gingrey
    (GA)

    Gohmert
    Goodlatte
    Granger
    Graves
    Griffith
    Guthrie
    Hall
    (TX)

    Harper
    Hastings
    (WA)

    Heller
    Hensarling
    Herger
    Herseth
    Sandlin
    Hoekstra
    Holden
    Hunter
    Inglis
    Issa
    Jenkins
    Johnson
    (IL)

    Johnson, Sam
    Jones
    Jordan (OH)
    King
    (IA)

    King
    (NY)

    Kingston
    Kirk
    Kissell
    Kline
    (MN)

    Kratovil
    Lamborn
    Lance
    Latham
    LaTourette
    Latta
    Lee
    (NY)

    Lewis
    (CA)

    Linder
    Lipinski
    LoBiondo
    Lucas
    Luetkemeyer
    Lummis
    Lungren,
    Daniel
    E.

    Lynch
    Mack
    Manzullo
    Marchant
    Marshall
    Matheson
    McCarthy
    (CA)

    McCaul
    McClintock
    McCotter
    McHenry
    McIntyre
    McKeon
    McMahon
    McMorris
    Rodgers

    Melancon
    Mica
    Miller (FL)
    Miller
    (MI)

    Miller, Gary
    Minnick
    Moran (KS)
    Murphy,
    Tim

    Myrick
    Neugebauer
    Nunes
    Nye
    Olson
    Paul
    Paulsen
    Pence
    Peterson
    Petri
    Pitts
    Platts
    Poe
    (TX)

    Posey
    Price
    (GA)

    Putnam
    Radanovich
    Rehberg
    Reichert
    Roe
    (TN)

    Rogers (AL)
    Rogers (KY)
    Rogers
    (MI)

    Rohrabacher
    Rooney
    Ros-Lehtinen
    Roskam
    Ross
    Royce
    Ryan
    (WI)

    Scalise
    Schmidt
    Schock
    Sensenbrenner
    Sessions
    Shadegg
    Shimkus
    Shuler
    Shuster
    Simpson
    Skelton
    Smith
    (NE)

    Smith (NJ)
    Smith
    (TX)

    Souder
    Space
    Stearns
    Sullivan
    Tanner
    Taylor
    Teague
    Terry
    Thompson
    (PA)

    Thornberry
    Tiahrt
    Tiberi
    Turner
    Upton
    Walden
    Wamp
    Westmoreland
    Whitfield
    Wilson
    (SC)

    Wittman
    Wolf
    Young (AK)
    Young
    (FL)

    Note the absence of a single house Republican voting for this atrocity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaRepub View Post
    Hey DUmmies, send a pic of healing white light to all the people OBAMACARE will hurt.
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    Note the absence of a single house Republican voting for this atrocity.
    They claim that Obamacare was developed by Republicans (Democrats just adopted it) therefore it is PROOF that Republicans will vote/obstruct ANYTHING and EVERYTHING that Obama proposes........because he's black, of course.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carol View Post
    They claim that Obamacare was developed by Republicans (Democrats just adopted it) therefore it is PROOF that Republicans will vote/obstruct ANYTHING and EVERYTHING that Obama proposes........because he's black, of course.
    If that were the case, then why did the Democrats shove a Republican idea down our throats?

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    ObamaCare is to the Republican Party just as The Final Solution was to Yom Kippur. Mass genocide vs fasting and atonement for ones sins.
    Only on DU would two completely opposite things be viewed as the same; this due to their brains being wired like spaghetti in a Kitchen Aid blender set on puree.
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    Leftists M.O. Rewriting history is what they do. This is why Republican/Conservatives are war mongers even though every war in the 20th save for the 1st Iraq war was started with a Democrat in the White House. They like to lay the Klan at our feet even though they were created to be muscle for the Democrats. It's the same old song.
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